Talk:Punjabi Shaikh

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very well written article covers all aspects of sheikh/khatri community of punjab its amazing how entire communities adopted different titles after conversion but retained the same last names as is evident in sethi, sehgal, chadha etc. Its interesting to note that the Kalasha that converted to Islam earlier in the Kalash valley are known by other Kalasha as Sheikhadeh could it be possible that it was a title for converted people?. oct16, 2006

Usul al-fiqh box on the right

I don't think it is needed. This page uses Sheikh page as template; scope of which is completely different. Regards. Yasir

Punjabi Sheikh

Your edit in the above page where you mention -The prominent Buddhists clans also adopted this title after converting to Islam.

This is truly interesting, would you please site some Pakistani or Indian Muslim Surnames that are still in prevalence among a people from a prominent Buddhist lineage. Intothefire 08:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Siddiqui still waiting

Hi Siddiqui Still waiting for your response to the above and other ...Intothefire 09:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ghulam_Muhammad was NOT a Punjabi_Shaikh.

With all due respect, I have noticed that you are trying to portray that Ghulam_Muhammad was a Punjabi_Shaikh by adding your own words to the quote. However, even the Wikipedia's own page about Ghulam_Muhammad and other web-links (Story of Pakistan) will substantiate the fact that Ghulam_Muhammad was NOT a Punjabi_Shaikh but a Malik (Not Malak as spelled by your quoted source of Denzil Ibbetson, Edward MacLagan, H. A. Rose, "A Glossary of The Tribes & Casts of The Punjab & North West Frontier Province", 1911, pp 502 Vol II. Here is the direct link to that page) of Kakazai Pashtun descent. Furthermore, if you are able to read Urdu, then please feel welcome to read these pages, Page 176-177, Page 178-179 and Page 18-181 of Tazkara (also called "Tazkira-e-pathan"), a book by Khan Roshan Khan.

Regarding Kakkezai being Punjabi_Shakih, I would like to further invite you to get hold on another book in Urdu, "Tareekh-e-Kakazai" (a.k.a. "Hidayat Afghani - Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani" (Originally Published May, 1933), which debunks that theory. And last but NOT the least, you are more than welcome to visit more material on Kakazai Pashtun tribe by visiting this Flickr page, which is full of scanned material. McKhan (talk) 12:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi McKhan

First please do not blank out verifiable content as you have done in this article .
Next concerning Kakkezai being Punjabi Shaikh or the issue of Ghulam_Muhammad you may consider discussing this also with user Farhat Jawed Sheikh the originator of this article who has incorporated this information in the begining itself .

Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 04:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your kind response. However, with all due respect, I am Kakazai by myself and I have done quite an extensive research on the topic of Kakazai. The quote which you and / or Mr. Farhat Jawed Sheikh is using is a disputed quote under the light of "Tareekh-e-Kakazai" (a.k.a. "Hidayat Afghani - Tareekh-e-Kakazai Tarkani" (Originally Published May, 1933) as well as pages, Page 176-177, Page 178-179 and Page 18-181 of Tazkara (also called "Tazkira-e-pathan"), a book by Khan Roshan Khan. And last but not the least, I am afraid, I did not mean to "blank" the page per se but to keep it more clear for the readers of the Wikipedia, to which I am contributing for the past few years by focusing upon the subject matters which I know the most about. Best regards. Sincerely, McKhan (talk) 07:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Improve Article

The Punjabi Shaikh are perhaps the most successful community in Pakistan , having excelled in every possible field and having a disproportionately larger presence than all other Muslim communities in the Punjab and other provinces . Having been absentee land lords centered in Urban areas as opposed to Rajput and and Jat tilling peasantry , and at unfairly higher social and economic placement has attracted more than their fair share of jealous stereotyping . Historical records of the 1900 and earlier attest to an ancient Kshatriya and Brahman lineage , higher levels of education , social placement , economic activity , Political engagement and the the fine arts . Although Punjabi Shaikhs have excelled in all areas including the Millitary , Science , Administration , Legal , fields apart from Business Big and Small , unfortunately this article falls in the cliched trap of stereotyping a community , perhaps on purpose . It could do with much improvement of content to provide a more comprehensive picture . Intothefire (talk) 17:47, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

Siddiqui is not the descended one from any converted classes as it is said under the head of Name

Actually they are as said here Siddiquis are generally considered to be the descendants of the first Muslim Caliph Abu Bakr as-Siddiq of the Rashidun Caliphate (The four Rightly guided Calips). The title "Siddiq" (veracious) was given to Abu Bakr by the Prophet Mohammad. himself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drcenjary (talk • contribs) 09:44, 30 June 2016 (UTC) --Drcenjary (talk) 09:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Further, read Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth and WP:BURDEN, very specifically. Also, you don't own the page. Thanks, ∯WBG^converse 07:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]