Talk:Puerto Rico National Cemetery

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The photo at the external link site is usable in Wikipedia, as it is the "Work of a US government agency", but it isn't a great picture if someone else happens to have something better to contribute. -Dawson 18:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 May 2021

Private First Class Teofilo Romero, A Co, 1st Bn, 3rd Marine Regiment (1/3) was killed on Nov 01, 1943 during the WWII Battle of Bougainville in the Solomon Islands. He is buried in the Puerto Rico National Cemetery - Bayamon, Puerto Rico - Section F, Grave 2856. Reference: https://marines.togetherweserved.com/usmc/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=ShadowBoxProfile&type=Person&ID=446010 RoboRob1266 (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. See WP:WTAF. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 13:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:PRUS

"The cemetery has the only Memorial Program Service Marker Processing Center site located in a national cemetery and outside of the United States. This is the only national cemetery outside of the United States."

• @FLJuJitsu: You are confusing citizenship of Puerto Ricans with Puerto Rico, the place. They are two different things.
  

Many people confuse U.S. Citizenship meaning the land is automatically part of the U.S.
That is the matter here. It's complicated so I hope you will read up a bit more on the matter.

However, there are many sources that help you make heads or tails of Puerto Rico.
See these refs: 1. It is the CIA website which very clearly tells you what the United States AREA is:
"Area total: 9,833,517 sq km

land: 9,147,593 sq km

water: 685,924 sq km

note: includes only the 50 states and District of Columbia, no overseas territories"

2 *On Puerto Ricans living in Texas: https://centropr.hunter.cuny.edu/research/data-center/infographics/puerto-ricans-texas-state-2019 "In 2019, Texas had the 7th largest concentration of Puerto Ricans in the United States"

• On Puerto Ricans living in Connecticut: In 2019, Connecticut had the 6th largest concentration of Puerto Ricans in the United States"

3 * On the ref attached to this wikipedia article, the ref states "The cemetery has the only Memorial Program Service Marker Processing Center site located in a national cemetery and outside of the United States. This is the only national cemetery outside of the United States." and the ref does not say outside the mainland United States. The ref attached here is from a Veteran's Cemetery Website .. I'm certain they know how to describe their own organization.
4 The USGS states what constitutes the United States. 50 states and the District of Colombia. I think you ought to read articles written by lawyers, scholars, congress, the CIA, the USGS, and stop adding your own Point of View on this article. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 15:41, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

References

5. "By 1947, when the island’s population reached some 2,110,000, chronic unemployment had triggered an exodus to the United States, where job opportunities were plentiful." on Britannica, the Encyclopedia. not mainland US. You should revert your edit because you are wrong. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@FLJuJitsu: Also

6..In this bill presented by Jennifer asking for Statehood for Puerto Rico # 13 states "(13) Unincorporated territory status means that Federal laws can be applied to Puerto Rico and its American citizens differently, on unequal and, at times inequitable terms, compared not only to the States and their residents, but also unlike territories that are parts of the United States. This has limited the development of Puerto Rico and hindered its economy." Notice where it says but also unlike territories that are parts of the United States. That is Washington DC. DC is not a state but is a part of the U.S. Puerto Rico is not (again). Because if you refer back to the refs I've supplied here and countless others that you can find, the U.S. is the 50 states and DC. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 17:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• I just want to note the USDA using terminology of "U.S. mainland from Puerto Rico" here. U.S. Department of Justice using the phrase "...services performed within Puerto Rico, rather than within the mainland United States." [1] National Center for Biotechnology Information using the phrase "...in Puerto Rico is nearly twice that of the mainland United States." [2] Federal Communications Commission using the phrase "so that those living in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands will have access to and benefit from the same high-speed broadband services that residents of the mainland United States enjoy" [3] I can go on for a while here. Certainly many U.S. federal agencies view Puerto Rico as being part of the United States such that they use the terminology "mainland". At best for your case, there appears to be no consensus at the federal level. Given that the subject here is a national cemetery as in a United States national cemetery, it seems awkward to be trying to make a case this is somehow not a U.S. cemetery. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:16, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

7. No one is arguing that P.R. isn't a state and holds a different position legally however its people are U.S. citizens, it has representation in the federal government, even our own wiki page here states "officially the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico[a] (Spanish: Estado Libre Asociado de Puerto Rico, lit. 'Free Associated State of Puerto Rico')[c] is a Caribbean island and unincorporated territory of the United States." It is a U.S. territory which makes it part of the U.S. and there is no other interpretation possible. Even the Library of Congress states that since 1917 it has been a colonial property then territory of the U.S. so if this is incorrect someone needs to let LOC know. I would also provide this as reference "If Puerto Puerto is not a state, what is it? Puerto Rico is a commonwealth, or territory of the United States. Its local government consists of a governor elected every four years and a Senate and House of Representatives, but this local government only legislates over certain internal affairs." Finally, Puerto Rico is one of the territories of the United States. I suspect that Jenniffer González-Colón would be rather surprised to find out that as a member of the U.S House of Representatives that she's not representing the U.S. The facts are the facts. Do as you please from here forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FLJuJitsu (talk • contribs)

Puerto Rico and the other territories are Insular areas of the United States. I do believe some of the wikipedia articles have wikipedia categories that correctly reflect that (insular area). Because Guam, USVI, American Samoa, Puerto Rico etc. are not states but territories, they are not in the US nor part of. They are Insular areas of the U.S. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 21:56, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

A large project to create more categories like these might be something to do soon:

1. Category:Insular areas of the United States
2. Category:Insular areas of the United States at multi-sport events
3. Category:Insular areas of the United States in fiction
4. Category:Culture of insular areas of the United States

Were we to continue adding more categories to categorize things in Guam, Northern Mariana, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands etc. as category:insular areas of the US ... it might put an end to this circular argument. (There will never be an end to this circular argument). I'm saying "it might put an end to this circular argument" just as a figure of speech but I'm not kidding myself. See Wikipedia:List of controversial issues article Puerto Ricans in the United States. It's on the list of controversial issues because it's a constant circular argument where many people believe that because PR and the others are "territories of the US" then it must mean they are part of the US. They are INSULAR AREAS of the US. I'm just not that adept at creating wikipedia categories but it is something I think the Puerto Rico project team and other editors should work on.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

@Hammersoft: This article about the PR National Cemetery states it is a United States cemetery in the first sentence. The sentence stating it is the only US cemetery outside the US is exactly what the US Department of Veterans Affairs has stated on their website about this cemetery in P.R. ... --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:23, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

And actually, the US Dept of Veterans Affairs will have to update their website because it is not the only 1 .. There are now 2 US Veteran's cemeteries outside the US. A second US veterans cemetery has been built in Morovis, Puerto Rico. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)