Talk:Public market (disambiguation)
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[edit]@Lithopsian: The original target was the very first wikilink in the first sentence. Formatting and broken incoming wikilinks can be fixed post priori. Those practical issues aren’t reasons to not have a DAB. — MarkH21talk 03:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, hard to follow since the formatting was nothing like MOS:DAB. If you want a dab page with a primary topic entry on the first line, then the dab page should be titled Public market (disambiguation) and this page should be a redirect to marketplace. Then on the dab page the first line links to the primary topic which is a redirect. The first line can include a description but should not include any other wikilinks, and it certainly shouldn't contain a second different wikilinked article to be disambiguated (ie. wet market.) Each of the other entries should contain one and only one blue link, generally an article title that the ambiguous term may indicate. All this is only worth doing if there is potential confusion for some people who are redirected to marketplace, which can then have a hatnote to help them out. If the hatnote can succinctly direct searchers to the correct alternate articles, then no dab page is required.
- You really should be familiar with these things before you start messing about with non-trivial dab pages. Start at WP:DAB. Rule #1: dab pages are not short list articles, they are purely for disambiguating an ambiguous term to several potential (existing!) articles. Lithopsian (talk) 19:38, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, the issue was that I couldn't really decide if wet market was a primary topic or not. I originally thought it should be, given the academic references[1][2][3] saying that they are synonymous and it having a standalone article, whereas its mention in Marketplace is an unreferenced list item. However, CFCF's revert made me pause and the result was this botched double primary topic DAB.Part of the issue is that the defining mention of "public market" at Marketplace is the unreferenced
Public market in the United States: an indoor, fixed market in a building and selling a variety of goods
in the list under the "Types" section, so it's awkward to have that alternative US usage as the primary topic or as a bullet in a DAB list. Perhaps an ordinary DAB would be best? — MarkH21talk 01:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)- Public market seems to be rather a generic term. Marketplace uses it for various markets in different countries, but then seems to place a special emphasis on a particular type of market by that name in the US. The emphasis appears to be a combination of WP:UNDUE and some marketing hype from public market entities in the US. The term is used for similar markets in other countries. Marketplace works for me as a primary topic because it is also a fairly generic term and it discusses several different types of entity called or described as public markets. I'm not familiar with public market as a synonym for wet market, but suspect that again it is a rather generic description rather than something approaching a proper name.
- Anyway, getting a primary topic slightly wrong isn't the end of the world; there can still be a dab page. We're not passing any sort of absolute judgement, just helping people get to the right article by guessing that a good chunk of them will want to go to a particular article. One wrinkle in that theory is that essentially all the existing article wikilinks to public market are using it in the sense of a financial market. That would argue for a different primary topic, although there isn't a clear contender article for it. For example, financial market doesn't use the term explicitly. Incidentally, if you're listing things like Portland Public Market on the dab page, there are a lot more! There is a list (in the US sense) at Market place#United States, although not all have public market in the name. Wet market could also go in the dab list, but I'm still not convinced that it has any special meaning in that context. Lithopsian (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Hmm, okay I'll create as a DAB with Marketplace as the general topic since I agree that it's usually a generic description (and wet markets are a type of marketplace anyways). Then wet market, financial market, and specific instances can follow in the list. There only seem to be three or so incoming links to fix. — MarkH21talk 23:40, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, the issue was that I couldn't really decide if wet market was a primary topic or not. I originally thought it should be, given the academic references[1][2][3] saying that they are synonymous and it having a standalone article, whereas its mention in Marketplace is an unreferenced list item. However, CFCF's revert made me pause and the result was this botched double primary topic DAB.Part of the issue is that the defining mention of "public market" at Marketplace is the unreferenced
- I tweaked things to how a primary topic redirect and dab page should be named and formatted. See [MOS:DAB]].Lithopsian (talk) 16:26, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ Zhong, Taiyang; Si, Zhenzhong; Crush, Jonathan; Scott, Steffanie; Huang, Xianjin (2019). "Achieving urban food security through a hybrid public-private food provisioning system: the case of Nanjing, China". Food Security. 11 (5): 1071–1086. doi:10.1007/s12571-019-00961-8. ISSN 1876-4517.
- ^ Morales, Alfonso (2009). "Public Markets as Community Development Tools". Journal of Planning Education and Research. 28 (4): 426–440. doi:10.1177/0739456X08329471. ISSN 0739-456X.
- ^ Morales, Alfonso (2011). "Marketplaces: Prospects for Social, Economic, and Political Development". Journal of Planning Literature. 26 (1): 3–17. doi:10.1177/0885412210388040. ISSN 0885-4122.