Talk:Proto-Mayan language
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working on a soundrules table
[edit]Continuing discussion started on Talk:Mayan languages. Here, i've done 5 lines to give an idea of what I mean. Later if Madman makes his spiffy color-coded language geneology tree, we could use those colors by column instead of red (and of course include that image over in this article. --Homunq 22:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- I have to say, I like my version better. Particularly for the *ŋ line, it gives the information in a way that yours doesn't. Also by showing the preserved as well as the changed sounds, it could help a non-linguist start to understand what the deal is with sound shifts. If you don't give me a counterargument, I will (eventually) put mine in (though I agree with you that "K'iche'an" was a mistake). Good job, though.--Homunq 05:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- You may be right it does look nice. The thing that worries me is that sometimes we will have to be very careful in order not to convey false information - because the rules in the sources that I am woring from only mentioned shared innovations for groups, this means that when one group shares a change that doesn't necesarrily leave the other languages unchanged, they may hve their own changes that aren't mentioned in my data. Also in your form of the table I think it would be better to show actual cognate words instead of just the phonemes. But I currently doen't have a cognate list for mayan that includes wastek - so i'll have to track down wastek cognates from other sources.Maunus 09:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Proto-Mayan | Huastecan | Yukatekan | Ch'olan | Q'anjobalan | Mamean | K'iche'an |
w | b | w | w | w | w | w |
*ho/*hu | wo,wu | ho/hu | ho/hu | ho/hu | ho/hu | ho/hu |
*ŋ | h | n | n | n | x | x |
*q,*q' | k,k' | k,k' | k,k' | k,k' | q,q' | q,q' |
*-h | -h | -h | -h | -h | -h | -j Kaqchikel, Tz'utjil only |
*e: > i, *o: > u raising of long mid vowels |
Ch'olan |
*a: > ɨ | Ch'olan, Yucatecan |
*-t > -tʃ | Yucatecan |
*ŋ > x | Quichean-Mamean |
CVʔVC > CVʔC shortening of syllables with medial glottal stop |
Quichean-Mamean |
*r > t | Mamean |
*r > j | Mamean |
*t > tʃ | Mamean |
*tʃ > tʂ | Mamean |
*-ɓ > -ʔ/VCV_# In polysyllabic forms final implosive b became a glottal stop |
Kaqchikel, Tz'utjil |
I don't know how to use the talk page properly, but I have some concerns about the main page that I want to voice without changing it prematurely. The implosive is listed as an ejective, which it is not. This is a minor issue and can be fixed by simply redoing the table. The assertion that a colonial Huastecan spelling of <cuyx> does not equal [kʷiʃ] seems pretty shaky. Spanish orthography only allows two methods of expressing a [kʷi] syllable: <cui> or <cuy>. Perhaps the assumption is that <-uy> is to be pronounced as in Spanish <muy>, but this doesn't seem like a sure thing; I don't know of any Spanish words that allow a <uy> to come before a coda consonant. This issue should be addressed and backed up with solid sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.35.75 (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
History
[edit]This article should have have at least one additional section which would explain the historical context of the Proto-Mayan language: i.e. when it is thought to have been spoken, its urheimat, features of its vocabulary with respect to the cultural, geographical and temporal context, and its historical relevance. — 129.21.145.181 (talk) 13:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
use in music
[edit](in reconstructed form, that is) I recall seeing an interview with a K'iche' musician who used p-Maya-influenced lyrics. Unfortunately I don't know how to find this interview again...would have been one of https://proweb.myersinfosys.com/fnx/atoz Arlo James Barnes 03:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
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