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On 25 March 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Prompt Global Strike to Conventional Prompt Strike. The result of the discussion was moved.

Move the article

The Force now calls it "Global Precision Attack". Hcobb (talk) 22:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Falcon

Thank you for adding the ref Hcobb. Do I take it that PGS is the general USAF initiative and the Falcon, Conventional Strike Missile, etc are sub-projects, or is the PGS merely the system that would be delivered by these other vehicles? Joshdboz (talk) 01:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the USAF was anywhere near that organized there wouldn't be half as many movies making fun of them. Hcobb (talk) 02:39, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, thanks. Tax dollars at work. Joshdboz (talk) 14:06, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

FYI, Wired has run a couple of articles about this proposal. [1][2] Will Beback talk 21:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh... why?

What exactly makes the flat trajectory establish that the missile is not nuclear? It establishes that it's not an ICBM; it doesn't prove anything to do with nuclear or not. The reference cited for this claim doesn't explain anything about how this works either; it makes the same claim but only shows evidence of how it won't be confused for an ICBM, not how it can be identified as non-nuclear. 101.98.155.58 (talk) 05:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The whole business is rather ambiguous; in theory the weapon would not be targeted at Russia or China making the point moot. The real issue being the pushed by the deployment of IRBMs by many nations from Iran to North Korea, and China. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.203.19.1 (talk) 16:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

X-37B section deleted

The X-37B original research section, which had no sources whatsoever, has been deleted. I have never seen any professional source make the claims that were in that section and I doubt it had any basis in reality. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:06, 5 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Intermediate-range Conventional Prompt Strike

I'm not sure where the test of the 1st-stage solid rocket motor should go. I put the ref under LRHW (long-range hypersonic weapon), an Army program. --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 06:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The term...

...Conventional Prompt Strike is being used in some pages here, (and in some sources). But several sources have combined the two as: Conventional Prompt Global Strike (CPGS), and have so as far back as 2008. So, should the title of this page be changed at all?
Title aside, (and barring a change) should these two terms be added to article?
And lastly should these two terms be redirected? (Here? Somewhere else?)
Here are the sources;

FAS.org (2021)
CRS/Congress.gov (2021)
USNI.org (2021)
DTIC.mil (2015)
TheDiplomat.com (2014)
INSS/NDU.edu (2011)
NAS/nap.edu (2008)

I don't have a strong opinion either way, just thought I would being this to the attention of those who have worked on this page, and/or in the subject area. (fyi: as of this post, both terms linked above are red and none of the refs listed are in the article) - wolf 20:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The US Army and US Navy are currently conducting joint testing of a hypersonic weapon that the army calls the Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon (LRHW) and the navy calls the Conventional Prompt Strike (CPS). This terminology is from Lockheed Martin's (the manufacturer) website: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/news/features/2021/another-successful-solid-rocket-motor-hypersonics-test.html. This is not the same weapon as the Prompt Global Strike because the LRHW/CPS weapon has a range of 1,725 miles (from: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a36421213/army-hypersonic-weapon-1700-mile-range/) which is insufficient for the global reach of the Prompt Global Strike. The LRHW/CPS weapon has its own article Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon. It's to be deployed by the Army in artillery battalions and in Navy VLS aboard Zumwalt-class destroyers and Virginia-class subs. -Personnongratia (talk) 01:01, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. Well, I've redirected the two terms in the OP to this page for now. If someone cares to add sections to this page distinguishing any differences among any two, or all three, (like with the info PNG noted above), it won't change anything as the redirects will stay in place anyway (but just be for specific). If at some point someone want to make an article about either terms (or both) then that's fine too. (Though it's been almost 15 years now, so I won't hold my breath on that ;-) Cheers - wolf 02:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be better to redirect Conventional Prompt Strike to Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon given that the Conventional Prompt Strike manufacturer (Lockheed Martin) labels the two weapons as part of the same program per the link to their website I provided above. -Personnongratia (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reference 1 (from FAS.org) distinguishes Prompt Global Strike (a nuclear weapon system) from Conventional Prompt Strike, which uses non-nuclear (kinetic-kill) munitions. --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 01:26, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/Press-Releases/display-pressreleases/Article/2636993/navy-tests-new-hypersonic-rocket-motor/, the Conventional Prompt Strike program is part of the Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon program, as both use the same weapon and booster. Thus I will change the Conventional Prompt Strike redirect from Prompt Global Strike to Long-Range Hypersonic Weapon. Also, I have not found any mention of "Prompt Global Strike" in DoD planning or funding documents since 2013, so I am starting to think it is formally a dead program that was replaced by the joint LRHW/CPS and AGM-183A programs. I think Prompt Global Strike resulted in the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon (AHW) demonstrator, which has heavily influenced the joint LRHW/CPS development. I base these conclusions on the most recent CBO report on hypersonic weapons: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21012764/conventional-prompt-global-strike-and-long-range-ballistic-missiles-background-and-issues-july-16-2021.pdf (I found pages 14-18 most helpful). In the long term, we should consider renaming this article Advanced Hypersonic Weapon and describing its role in the Prompt Global Strike program and in the later LRHW/CPS development. There is just nothing that officially (from the DoD or manufacturers) suggests that the Prompt Global Strike program is active now or has been active recently, rather that new programs have supplanted it. -Personnongratia (talk) 22:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed. NPASR if there are objections. (non-admin closure) {{ping|ClydeFranklin}} (t/c) 21:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prompt Global Strike → Conventional Prompt Strike – It seems that this was renamed / rebranded to "Conventional Prompt Strike." Amigao (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.