Talk:Prometheus (Orozco)

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Did you know... that abstract expressionist Jackson Pollock considered the greatest painting in North America to be a mural of Prometheus (pictured) at Pomona College by Mexican artist José Clemente Orozco?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:36, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Prometheus (1930)

... that abstract expressionist Jackson Pollock considered the greatest painting in North America to be a mural of Prometheus (pictured) at Pomona College by Mexican artist José Clemente Orozco? Source: "the young Jackson Pollock kept a photograph of Orozco's Prometheus mural in his studio, and declared it to be "the greatest painting in North America."" [1]

Comment: My first art article and my first DYK nom, so please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong. Since it's a painting, I'd love to see it appear with the image included.
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Takapūneke, Template:Did you know nominations/San Nicolò all'Arena, Verona

Created by Sdkb (talk). Self-nominated at 01:14, 20 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

New, long, and neutral enough. Well-written & referenced. Hook checks out & Earwig finds nothing. No QPQ needed. Unfortunately, I'm not sure about the picture licence for main page. I'd question whether a wall-painting in a fairly public place in the US can be described as "it was first published outside the United States". I wouold have thought the painting was the publishing - if not, then what was? Copyright specialist needed. Otherwise GTG, but I'll query it for the pic. Johnbod (talk) 12:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnbod: Following up from your reminder on my talk page — thanks for the review. I think we're waiting for a copyright specialist to come along to address the question about the photo, but since no one has yet, I'll cross-post to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Please let me know if there's anything else I ought to do. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:14, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that got archived without discussion -that page seems to archive far too quickly. It seems to me that a) the image probably is out of copyright, as the artist died in 1949, and b) the current licence templates on it are all wrong. Thoughts anyone? Johnbod (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like it was painted at the site, so the current tags are clearly wrong. By default, it would still be copyrighted and thus should be deleted. However, For works created between 1925-1977, they need to have a copyright notice. Otherwise we can use {{PD-US-no notice}}. So that's the question: is there a copyright notice somewhere on the painting? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually on the painting? That would seem most unlikely. Perhaps one could see how it is treated in books etc? Johnbod (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be "affixed to the work itself" in some fashion, IIRC, in such a way that a reasonable inspection would see it. So for a typical painting that might mean the back of the canvas. I imagine for a mural it would be most common for it to be written in small letters in the corner somewhere? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnbod: I think this is good to go. --evrik ^(talk) 16:07, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GTG without the image. Reluctantly, it's not clear enough from the above that the pic is ok for MP. Happy to revisit that if more information is produced. I see Eric has changed the Commons licence, but I don't see the evidence for it being without a copyright notice. evrik, please don't use the red bendy arrow every time you make a comment. That's not what it's for. Johnbod (talk) 00:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Johnbod, Google Arts & Culture has an extremely high-resolution version of the mural here. That image is copyrighted, but it allows for the sort of inspection Rhododendrites mentions above. I just looked it over, and there does not appear to be any copyright notice. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now you tell me! Indeed there are various inscriptions in the bottom right corner, but no copyright notice - that should be noted 7 linked on the image file. So

including the picture. Johnbod (talk) 03:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Since 2 of the 3 requirements for the notice are visible in that image, it makes me wonder what the words are in the corner, obscured by the angle of the photo, but I'll leave it at that. Certainly if it's not copyrighted we should have the high resolution version here. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 05:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for further improvement

For anyone who wants to improve this article further, see User_talk:Seauton#Prometheus_(Orozco). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:41, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]