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On 9 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Prohibition of drugs to Drug prohibition. The result of the discussion was moved.

Merger proposal

Formal request has been received to merge: Drug possession into Prohibition of drugs; dated: July 2021. Proposer's Rationale: I propose to merge this article into Prohibition of drugs. I think that the content in the Drug possession article can very easily be explained in the context of Drug law, and that article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Prohibition of drugs will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. ––FormalDude. (Discuss here.) GenQuest ^"scribble" 18:45, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've blanked and redirected the page. There honestly wasn't any content on Drug possession that is not already covered in more depth here. ––FormalDude ^talk (please notify me {{U|FormalDude}} on reply) 04:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interpol

The War on Drugs has stimulated the creation of international law enforcement agencies (such as Interpol), mostly in Western countries. This has occurred because a large volume of illicit drugs come from Third-World countries.

No doubt it has, but not Interpol.

According to that page the predecessor to Interpol was the Police Union of German States in 1851, concentrating on politicals and criminals, when apart from religious puritans most people didn't care about opposing drug-taking: after some false starts, the ICPC was founded in 1923, and post war when the Nazi leadership of that were cleared out, the ICPO in 1946. Undoubtedly thanks to the American starting, and forcing, of the Anti-Drug cause in the early 20th century, the personnel in 1923 were increasing involved with opiates under the League of Nations, probably a lot more with financial crooks and petty criminals: in no way was it the result of the old Anti-Drug initiatives, let alone the modern American War on Drugs. Claverhouse (talk) 07:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge this page into "Drug policy"?

It seems that the "Prohibition of drugs" could well be described as a specific Drug policy –particularly one that is mainstream on the planet. Yet, I wonder whereas it could not be merged, particularly given that "Drug policy" is the main title used for a number of country pages (see for instance the Template Template:Drug_policy_nav). There are also problems with the fact that articles such as "Drug law" redirect to "prohibition of drugs" which is inaccurate, given not all drug laws are prohibitions of drugs... redirecting to the page "Drug policy" would be more accurate (I have taken the liberty to take that step). But even better would be (1) renaming "Drug policy" as "Drug law and policy", (2) merging "Prohibition of drugs inside "Drug law and policy" and pointing pages there. Teluobir (talk) 22:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge, both are very large articles already. Also, I think they should be separate for the same reason (at least, in the American sense of the word prohibition) that prohibition and alcohol law are separate articles. That said, I think you were right to redirect "drug law" to "drug policy." As for renaming the "drug policy" article, I don't see why that's necessary, but that's a discussion for Talk:Drug policy. Gmarmstrong (talk) 01:24, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Template:Drug policy nav might be improved by adding links to Drug prohibition and War on drugs. Gmarmstrong (talk) 01:27, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Teluobir and Gmarmstrong, a few thoughts on this.

1) I added some articles to the template as suggested.

2) I don't think Drug policy needs to be renamed. We can distinguish between law and policy but it seems like policy is often informally used to mean both. Hence, we have articles for Economic policy, Foreign policy, etc., even though yes these things are controlled by both the legislative and executive branches. But anyway, yes, that could be discussed at that article's talk page.

3) I agree that Drug policy should be the top-level article on the topic and should have a section on Prohibition of drugs. But given the length concern, I think prohibition of drugs could remain its own article and a merge isn't necessary, just a summary in the top-level article.

4) This is part of a bigger set of poorly defined pages. We should also be thinking about Drug liberalization and Drug policy reform as subordinate to the overall Drug policy article. I think that similarly there could be a summary in the top-level article. They also overlap each other a lot as well as to some extent this article. This mess may eventually need more discussion but probably in its own talk page section. Gazelle55 (talk) 06:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for these useful thoughts, @Gazelle55 & @Gmarmstrong, I do agree. It seems a good way to move forwards indeed. But that's a bit of work ahead of us! Teluobir (talk) 11:06, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 9 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 17:11, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prohibition of drugs → Drug prohibition – WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE (t · c) buidhe 05:55, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See NGRAMS data—where it is more than 10 times as common—or Google Scholar results. (t · c) buidhe 05:55, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Sounds like a singular drug. Grammatically more awkward. I'll bet many of your results are merely partial phrases (e.g. "drug prohibition laws" or something like that). Walrasiad (talk) 00:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Think again, take a look at the titles of the top ten Google Scholar results:
  1. "Global drug prohibition: its uses and crises"
  2. "Drugs and the law: a psychological analysis of drug prohibition"
  3. "Assessing drug prohibition and its alternatives: A guide for agnostics"
  4. "Drug prohibition and public health: 25 years of evidence"
  5. "Thinking seriously about alternatives to drug prohibition"
  6. "Drug prohibition in the United States: Costs, consequences, and alternatives"
  7. "The secret of worldwide drug prohibition: The varieties and uses of drug prohibition"
  8. "Drug prohibition and poverty"
  9. "Prohibition, privilege and the drug apartheid: The failure of drug policy reform to address the underlying fallacies of drug prohibition"
  10. "How the east influenced drug prohibition"
- *All* of these are clearly about drug prohibition in general, not prohibition of a particular drug or whatever other topic you imagine it might refer to. "Drug prohibition laws" is arguably redundant and not a commonly used phrase. (t · c) buidhe 07:27, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support: Seems concise and natural to me. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:08, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, it's natural and I don't think it implies only prohibition of one singular drug. BegbertBiggs (talk) 12:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Buidhe is correct. Searching for "drug prohibition" on Google Books reveals that the term is quite common in the published literature on this subject. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:21, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Walrasiad's suggestion I'll bet many of your results are merely partial phrases (e.g. "drug prohibition laws" or something like that) can be examined in Google Ngrams by adding drug prohibition _NOUN_. The proposed title is still considerably more common. SilverLocust 💬 06:03, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.