Talk:Priscilla Cooper Tyler

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Review: August 8, 2023. (Reviewed version).

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Notes for suggestions

Thebiguglyalien I've just finished reading this article. Nice work. Since you are putting this up for GA, I'd like to offer some suggestions for you:

Panic of 1837 - might add a word to note that it was financial, as there are other types of mass panics - food shortages, health pandemic, etc.
"allowed her to open an account in every store in Williamsburg". How many stores could that be? Even now, the entire population is only 15,425.
"which Priscilla Tyler hoped would bring independence for her and her husband" - how so?
"she expressed shock at her fortune in presiding - Mrs. Tyler was too ill" Maybe "fortune" sounds a little heartless about Mrs. Tyler.
"brought about 3,000 people to the White House while Tyler was seven months pregnant." How about moving the pregnancy earlier in the sentence, "In March 1842, Tyler was seven months pregnant and responsible for .."
"Letitia Tyler-Semple saw to White House social affairs until the wedding" First place this name shows up. How about "President Tyler's daughter Letitia Tyler-Semple saw to White House social affairs ... "

That's about it. — Maile (talk) 02:39, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Vacant0 (talk) 22:58, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Priscilla Cooper Tyler/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Vacant0 (talk · contribs) 09:45, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll be reviewing this GAN as part of the ongoing GAN backlog drive.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Initial comments

There is unlikely any copyright violation in the article. Earwig's Copyvio Detector has reported only 3.8% in similarity.
There are no cleanup banners, such as those listed at WP:QF, in the article.
The article is stable. There has not been any edit warring in the recent period.
No previous GA reviews. Suggestions have been made on the talk page though.

General comments

Prose, spelling, and grammar checking.
- No problems were found in the lede.
- No problems were found in the rest of the article.
Checking whether the article complies with MOS.
- Add alt text to the infobox image.
  - Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The article complies with the MOS:LEDE, MOS:LAYOUT, and MOS:WTW guidelines. There is no fiction and embedded lists within the article, so I am skipping MOS:WAF and MOS:EMBED.
Checking refs, verifiability, and whether there is original research.
- References section with a {{reflist}} template is present in the article.
- No referencing issues.
- Listed references are reliable, most of them are books.
  - Ref 1 is a dead URL.
    - I've removed it, as it's only used once and another source covers it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - September 10, 1842 and June 26, 1844 in the infobox are not cited in the article.
    - This is interesting, because those are the dates used at List of first ladies of the United States, but they don't seem cited there either. As far as I can tell from looking at the sources, there isn't a clear start point (it could be when Tyler took office or when Letitia died) or a clear end point (it could be when she physically left the White House in March or when John Tyler remarried in June). The given dates appear to be Letitia's death and John's remarriage. For now I've changed it to just the years, both of which are cited in the article. I also did the same thing in the lead. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, John Tyler became president in 1841. This needs to be fixed up. Letitia became the first lady in 1841 too, so the year in the infobox needs changing too. Vacant0 (talk) 22:53, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Spotchecked Ref 2 (several times), 3 (several times), 4 (several times), 7, 10, 11–all verify the cited content. AGF on other citations. I also did the same thing for the lead.
- Copyvio already checked.
Checking whether the article is broad in its coverage.
- Copying the suggestions that were made on talk page to here:
  - Panic of 1837 - might add a word to note that it was financial, as there are other types of mass panics - food shortages, health pandemic, etc.
    - "Panic of YEAR" is a standard naming format for financial panics. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - "allowed her to open an account in every store in Williamsburg". How many stores could that be? Even now, the entire population is only 15,425.
    - If anyone knows where to find out how many stores were open in Williamsburg, Virginia, in 1839, let me know. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - "which Priscilla Tyler hoped would bring independence for her and her husband" - how so?
    - Clarified in the article that it was to get away from John Tyler's controlling behavior. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - "she expressed shock at her fortune in presiding - Mrs. Tyler was too ill" Maybe "fortune" sounds a little heartless about Mrs. Tyler.
    - Changed so it doesn't seem that it's being called a good thing in wikivoice. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - "brought about 3,000 people to the White House while Tyler was seven months pregnant." How about moving the pregnancy earlier in the sentence, "In March 1842, Tyler was seven months pregnant and responsible for .."
    - Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - "Letitia Tyler-Semple saw to White House social affairs until the wedding" First place this name shows up. How about "President Tyler's daughter Letitia Tyler-Semple saw to White House social affairs ... "
    - Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Marriage: It would be good to change "They married..." to "Cooper married Tyler".
  - Fixed. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there any information on her life from June 1843 to March 1844?
  - I really scraped the bottom of the barrel trying to find sources for this article. If there's more specific information, then it's in a source that's very well hidden. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The article stays focused on the topic.
Checking whether the article is presented from an NPOV standpoint.
- The article meets the criteria and is written in encyclopedic language.
Checking whether the article is stable.
- As noted in the initial comments, there has not been any edit warring in the recent period.
Checking images.
- In the summary, 30 May 2012 is the date of the upload. Change it to "unknown" if the date is unknown.
  - Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Fill the {{PD-Art}} template parameters.
  - Done. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Final comments

@Thebiguglyalien: The article will be on hold for a week so that you can fix the issues that I've pointed out in the review. Cheers, --Vacant0 (talk) 12:07, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vacant0, I replied to each issue above. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All looks good now. I'll promote the article and change the years that I've noted above. Vacant0 (talk) 22:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.