Talk:Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover (born 1914)

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It should be noted that I have started a discussion on this topic at Talk:Ernst August, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg. Charles 21:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

I am not really an expert on this subject, and my recent edits were likely the result of my personal troubles (a paranoid syndrome). I am very sorry for this behaviour, plese feel free to remove any information I edited. Best regards. --skysurfer 21:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: procedural close. Per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Undiscussed moves, if a move is contested, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, the move may be reverted. If editors wish to move the page to the new title, then obviously a new requested move can be started. DrKay (talk) 15:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ernest Augustus, Prince of Hanover (born 1914) → Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover (born 1914) – This article has been moved from Ernest Augustus IV, Prince of Hanover to Ernst August Prinz von Hannover Sr to Ernest Augustus, Prince of Hanover (1914–1987) to Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover (1914–1987) to Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover (born 1914) to Ernest Augustus, Prince of Hanover (born 1914). The name used in the 1957 legal case is "Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover"[1], which would therefore seem to be his 'official' or 'legal' name. The English-language sources in the article all use either "Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover", "Prince Ernst August of Hannover" or "Prince Ernst of Hanover", and so it also therefore appears to be one of the commonest names if not the commonest name. According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Other royals, which is the part of the guideline that apples here, the article title should be in the form "{title} {name} of {country}". Therefore, the article should be retained at "Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover" on the basis of Wikipedia:Official names#Valid use of official names, Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names, and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Other royals Celia Homeford (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The convention for royals with a princely title is for the article to be titled X, Prince of Y. This is also the case for dukes, grand dukes, and other royals that are not kings or emperors. This can be seen with Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia and Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse. Векочел (talk) 16:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There is a difference in German royal families between the Prince and a prince. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:05, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 22 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 03:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover (born 1914) → Ernest Augustus, Prince of Hanover (1914–1987) – X, Prince of Y is the form most often used by titled royals who are not kings or emperors. Векочел (talk) 03:17, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Other royals, Prince X of Y is the form most often used for titled royals who are not kings or emperors. DrKay (talk) 05:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- No, you're looking at the wrong section. You need the section above: If an individual holds a princely substantive title, use "{first name}, {title}". Examples: Charles, Prince of Wales, Anne, Princess Royal, Leonor, Princess of Asturias. He was clearly the Prince of Hanover. Titular, yes, but still the prince, not just a prince (i.e. just a member of the family, as opposed to the head of it). -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:58, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Hanover is not a principality. Peter Ormond 💬 07:38, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The name used in the 1957 legal case is "Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover"[2], which would therefore seem to be his 'official' or 'legal' name. The English-language sources in the article all use either "Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover", "Prince Ernst August of Hannover" or "Prince Ernst of Hanover", and so it also therefore appears to be one of the commonest names if not the commonest name. According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Other royals, which is the part of the guideline that apples here, the article title should be in the form "{title} {name} of {country}". Therefore, the article should be retained at "Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover" on the basis of Wikipedia:Official names#Valid use of official names, Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names, and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Other royals and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Hypothetical, dissolved and defunct titles. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:48, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support. He was the Prince of Hanover, not a prince of Hanover. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)#Royals with a substantive title and the comments by Necrothesp who correctly states Ernest Augustus was the Prince rather than a Prince, for example his daughter in law Caroline, Princess of Hanover is formally styled by Monaco as H.R.H The Princess of Hanover. - dwc lr (talk) 07:40, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nom. Векочел (talk) 05:00, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please strike this "!vote". Per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Commenting on a requested move, "Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line." DrKay (talk) 07:24, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The 1957 case called him Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover, and used the style "H.R.H. Prince Ernest Augustus of Hanover" (not "H.R.H. the Prince..."). Considering this, and the fact that the substantive title of his ancestors who ruled Hanover was not "Prince of Hanover", this person's title appears to be a courtesy title, not a substantive title. I also concur with the reasons given by Celia Homeford. Adumbrativus (talk) 09:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - as during his life time, Hanover was never an independent principality, in which he reigned over. GoodDay (talk) 16:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Contradiction

The Life section states that "foreign royal titles can't be entered into a British passport. Therefore, the titles "Prince of Hanover, Duke of Brunswick and Lüneburg" could not be mentioned there, nor could the British titles due to the Titles Deprivation Act of 1917", but then goes on to say "The name which was finally entered into his British documents, was thus "Ernest Augustus Guelph", with the addition of "His Royal Highness"." So which was it? Did his British passport refer to him as HRH, even though he wasn’t entitled to it? And what about this claim that his children are styled HRH in the UK? I assure you they are not. The only source given is an article hidden behind a paywall in a German magazine; is there any English language source that verifies what his British passport actually said? Swanny18 (talk) 23:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]