Talk:Prince Christian of Denmark (1675–1695)

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On 10 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Prince Christian of Denmark and Norway. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 10 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 18:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Christian of Denmark (1675–1695) → Prince Christian of Denmark and Norway – A more natural disambiguation. Christian is a common name for Danish princes and in case of the Greek branch of this family, the format Prince X of Greece and Denmark is used with no fuss. I see no reason why we shouldn't add Norway here. The only ambiguity from what I can tell is with the living Prince Christian who is in direct line of succession to the throne of Denmark. No need for these dates in brackets. Killuminator (talk) 04:16, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. estar8806 (talk) ★ 13:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose. Multiple people were called Prince Christian of Denmark and Norway, such as several of the kings called Christian before they inherited the throne and Christian, Prince-Elect of Denmark. No evidence of primary topic.[1][2] DrKay (talk) 14:05, 10 September 2023 (UTC) Amended 14:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And they're all titled as kings now. Killuminator (talk) 14:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The only other prince of Denmark and Norway named christian was Christian, Prince-Elect of Denmark. If we're worried about names being ambiguous with ruling monarchs, than countless articles are at ambiguous titles, including Prince George of Wales, William, Prince of Wales, Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark, Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, and Prince Christian of Denmark. estar8806 (talk) ★ 14:09, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So, you think Prince Charles should be the article title for who exactly? Just because someone becomes king doesn't mean that their former name is suddenly obliterated from history. This is not the primary topic for this term. DrKay (talk) 14:10, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Prince Charles is an exceptional case, none of the Danish sovereigns reigned for as long as Elizabeth II and none of their children were heir for as long as Charles. That being said, for course I'm not saying that there names are obliterated from history, but if a former name they had can be used elsewhere there's no problem with that (and a hatnote can be applied). But if we can't do that, I guess we need to move Prince George of Wales to Prince George of Wales (born 2013) because we just don't know if he has more long-term significance than George V, for example. estar8806 (talk) ★ 14:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's absolutely superseded. Your point has very broad implications for some pages. Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark isn't the first Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark. Killuminator (talk) 14:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even though I do not like the inclusion of numbers, I think they are needed in this instance and we should stick with the main country, which in this case is Denmark. See this discussion about Princess Eugénie of Sweden and why the part "and Norway" was dropped (which is not included in the articles about her father and other princesses either). The article on the subject's father is also titled Christian V of Denmark (no mention of Norway). Keivan.f^Talk 18:34, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.