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This article was nominated for deletion on 24 May 2022. The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete.

Baffled

I am somewhat baffled by the fact that Crown Prince Alexander is not in line to the British throne because of his Catholicism. He, as a Serb, cannot be Catholic, only Orthodox, especially since he is the rightful heir to the Serbian monarchy.Why is he thought of as Catholic?

No one alleges him catholic. But his first wife was and is. British succession is strictly limited by an ordinance "do not marry a catholic or you lose, whatever are your own beliefs". At the moment he was wed with a then catholic, he lost it (big loss, being somewhere in the range of a hundred - not even the massacre in King Ralph destroyed so many fromthe line). Not even his divorce can change that fact. Actually, thinking about how non-notable any high-numbered place in British succession is, it possibly is a bigger publicity splash to lose it than to keep it - at least, by legally losing it, magazines would possibly mention it (at least if properly guided to advertise the event), whereby a reading public gets apprised that he held it... :)) Maed 09:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander, Prince of Yugoslavia

Isn't this sort of title usually reserved for the pretenders (ie Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia)? I know there's already another Prince Alexander, but maybe that one could be moved to Prince Alexandar of Yugoslavia since I think that's the Yugoslavian version of the name, just so that people don't think this Alexander has the same sort of claim to a throne like Georg Friedrich does, when this prince is 3rd in the line of inheritance. Morhange 19:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They recycle all the time the same names, and Alexander is very favored, therefore I decided this guy, to disambiguate him finally, gets "the youngest". Of course, if a younger one gets baptized with same name, reconsider. Hope it will not happen soon, or that they start giving at least two first names. We cannot give ordinals, therefore this would possibly be then "the next-youngest" :)) Maed 09:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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This person is not entitled to the title of prince

When he was born, the last king regnant of Yugoslavia, his grandfather Peter, had been dead.

Only the reigning monarch of any realm has the authority to grant the title of prince to anyone (including his own offspring).

This person's father and namesake, Crown Prince Alexander, was not only not a king regnant when this person was born, he was not even a citizen of the country whose princedom he purports to have granted to his son (Crown Prince Alexander lost Yugoslav citizenship as a toddler). This is simply not done.

Disputed issues

A significant amount of this article consists of trivia which raises WP:BLP problems, Wikipedia is not a gossip column. I recognises that there are some sources which say that he is in the line of succession to the British throne. However on Wikipedia there has been some dispute in the past whether Greek Orthodox Christians are in the line of succession. PatGallacher (talk) 16:45, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 05:12, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Alexander of Yugoslavia (born 1982) → Alexander Karageorgevitch – This person was never officially a prince, he was born after the abolition of the Yugoslav monarchy. The current title represents monarchist bias, see WP:BIAS. PatGallacher (talk) 13:49, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: All but 3 of the sources in the article refer to him as Prince Alexander.
Oppose: Deposed royal families has an acquired right to use their monarchical titles, officially and unofficially, no matter what WP:BIAS says, as well as they have a right to give their respective dynastic orders. Members of the former ruling families of Brazil, Mexico, Iran, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria, France (Bourbon, Orléans, Bonaparte), Georgia, Greece, Montenegro, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Italy (Savoy, Bourbon-Two Sicilies, Austria-Este, Bourbon-Parma, Habsburg-Lorraine), Prussia, Bavaria, Hanover, Saxony, Hesse, Oldenburg, Brunswick, Schleswig-Holstein, and even Hawai'i still (to varying degrees--the Hawai'ians and Habsburgs are less keen) use their former titles; in many cases "prince" and "princess", sometimes "duke", "archduke", etc.; even though the last reigning monarchs produced by their families died 100+ years ago. Not only is continuing to use a title once officially held by your family as a mark of recognition for their place in history not "simply not done", it's more common today than actually being officially entitled to such a senior title by virtue of a close, living relative of yours being a reigning monarch. Furthermore, Alexander Karageorgevitch is too generic because there are 5 persons with that name in the Karađorđević dynasty, two of whom are alive. Also, the title of this article is according to WP:NCNOB. Besides that, I was wondering (because PatGallacher already tried to delete this article and now changing the title) what is going on! :) --DragonFederal (talk) 07:01, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as official sources here use his title. Also, just because a monarchy is abolished, does not mean that titles, styles and statuses are gone. See Prince Ernst August of Hanover (born 1983) and House of Hanover. This royal family no longer reigns over any sovereign territory but its members still use titles. (though I guess I could argue that Germany abolished nobility and titles in 1919, but hereditary titles are technically allowed to be used as part of a legal name). Edit: also, see Greek royal family. Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece, uses the title of the heir apparent of Greece, but Greece abolished its monarchy in 1973. cookie monster 755 00:33, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Yes you are right, in Germany titles of deposed monarchies form part of people's surnames. Pavlos is different as he really was the crown prince before Greece abolished the monarchy in 1973. PatGallacher (talk) 15:28, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - I still oppose as this is not a Queen Latifah, Lady Gaga or Prince situation. Just because a monarchy or system of nobility has ended, does not mean that their titles are somehow pretend. There is still historical relevance to Prince Alexander being a prince as the son of a former heir apparent. cookie monster 755 05:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - I agree with @cookie monster. Also, according to Ljubodrag Grujić, Herald of the House of Karađorđević, in Serbian passports of princes it is written HRH. --IndexAccount (talk) 19:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The nomination represents anti-monarchist bias, see WP:BIAS. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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