Talk:Presidential lecterns of the United States

Most accurate name?

Hat tip to @JamJamSvn for a delightful article. Wondering, since it has notable details about all three versions of the lectern, whether a broader title (or at least redirect) — "Presidential lecterns" or something to that effect — might be appropriate? Spaghettifier (talk) 22:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I've been thinking about this, haven't really come to a conclusion, and would be happy either way. JamJamSvn (talk) 22:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, in the past two hours I've changed my mind. Change it, "Presidential lecterns" works well I think. JamJamSvn (talk) 23:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be specifically for lecterns of Presidents of the United States only; I suggest renaming this article to show that unless it should be expanded to cover lecterns of presidents of other countries as well. -- Infrogmation (talk) 02:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article expansion or another name change

Hi, there was a good faith edit in the past few days by Infrogmation who I can see was trying to expand the article to include more than just US presidential lecterns. I'd be more than open to another name change to the article, maybe to "United States presidential lecterns", but would oppose expanding the article's remit in this way for several reasons. I'm just posting this here to hopefully start some discussion and get my opinions out there.

So, here are my two reasons for not expanding the article further:

Firstly, I haven't found any evidence of other countries having this much history and complexity behind its presidential lecterns, aside from the 10 Downing Street lecterns which already have their own article. If such a thing is found I think it should probably have its own individual article, as if it were included on this article the US information would take up too much of the text, justifying a split anyway.
The article is already quite abstracted, including all three types of lectern used frequently by the POTUS (see #Most accurate name?), and I feel that doing so further would confuse things. I've considered actually separating this article into three for each lectern (which would arguably work for the Blue Goose and Falcon, but not for the Toast as it gets too little coverage to have its own article).

Thanks! JamJamSvn (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming the article "United States presidential lecterns" (or some close variation of that) would seem a good easy and practical step to match article title to article subject. (Other countries have presidents who use lecterns; Wikipedia is global and there should not be an assumption that everything is automatically USA only.) -- Infrogmation (talk) 21:12, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JamJamSvn: @Spaghettifier: Would it be okay if I move the article title the article to match the content? -- Infrogmation (talk) 20:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- As there have been no objections or counter proposals for 2 months, I have moved the article title to match the content. -- Infrogmation (talk) 21:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History

Going through the Category:Blue_Goose_lectern_by_year images, it appears the current design of the Blue Goose was introduced in 1975. There are images of Ford using the previous model in 1974, but none after.

Related to that, were does the term Blue Goose actually come from, and should it be applied to the quite different pre-1975 design? Was that one even armored? Sifting through Google Books, I found an explicit mention in 1977, though in an article set during the LBJ presidency. [1] Currently this page doesn't explain where the name comes from (Goose referring to the bald eagle on the presidential seal, see wikt:Blue Goose) and starts its history section with Jimmy Carter. — jonas (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for your recent edits to the page, they're great. I simply haven't found any trace of the origin point for the term despite quite a lot of research, though an American might have more access to the resources to find that out than I do. I feel like there was a source for why it was named that way and was sure I cited it on this page, but I can't seem to find it.

I've also replied to you on the commons category talk page for that issue. JamJamSvn (talk) 20:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Jonas1015119. This google Magazine refers to a bus as a "blue goose"- not a podium, so this is not "an explicit mention in 1977." -- Ooligan (talk) 07:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]