Talk:Predatory marriage

"Marriage of convenience"

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To not merge, but add hatnotes to link. Klbrain (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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This is a separate concept. A "marriage of convenience" is "convenient" to both parties, for financial or citizenship reasons. A "predatory marriage" benefits only one of the parties. If it must be merged "Elder financial abuse" would be better. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 08:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@MaxBrowne2: we have all sorts of articles on various "unusual" marriage types which all sort of include key elements of this article, such as Sham marriage or Romance scam. Elderly financial abuse certainly is another element. I don't think an article specifically about Predatory marriage holds enough distinction without effectively duplicating what is already there or creating an unnecessary fork. I would argue that - in the broader sense - a predatory marriage is any marriage for financial gain. The target may not just be the elderly, but also other vulnerable people, such as mentally limited people or people in poor health. Maybe "sham marriage" may be the best target? _pseudonym Jake Brockman ^talk 10:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

I think this particular style of "fake marriage" is distinctive enough to merit its own article. One famous example is Anna Nicole Smith. There are lots of google hits on Canadian law sites and the article can certainly be expanded, but the example which drew my attention to the phenomenon was from the UK. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 23:58, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Whether or not it deserves an article of its own should be determined by usage in reliable sources (as to do otherwise would be original research). In this case, the only reliable source that I could find using the phrase "predatory marriage" is the Huffington Post Canada article cited by the article (which itself may not be a reliable source, as it appears to be published in their Blog section). With this in mind, I would move to redirect to Marriage of convenience unless more evidence can be was found in RS. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC) 03:11, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The Justice for Joan site that I linked to shows that this is not an exclusively Canadian thing. This case has received coverage in reliable sources, e.g. [1]. In Canada, the CBC has devoted quite a lot of attention to the phenomenon, e.g. [2]. So just because currently the article only currently includes the huff post canada doesn't mean there aren't more sources out there. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Understood, we shouldn't redirect this article. Somehow those didn't turn up in my search, although I did find a notice from the CARP [3] which I'm not sure is a secondary source. Looking now, I also see this Toronto Star article[4]. Still, due to the possibility of linguistic confusion between Sham marriage, Romance scam, etc. and this article, I'd support trying to unify the articles, or keep hatnotes connecting them. Additionally, there is currently no article at Marriage scam, which is a generic enough term to be a likely search term for any of these more specific forms of fraud and could serve as a disambiguation page._signed, Rosguill ^talk 03:09, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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