Talk:Preacher (comics)

A few questions (Spoilers)

my memory of the comic is hazy so maybe someone could answer some of these questions for me?

why was genesis created if it would simply be used as a weapon against the god in the comics?

why was the leader of the samson squad laughing at starr in the finally briefing he was giving?

did jc still have that eyepatch once he was resurrected? Jarwulf 20:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

These questions are better asked on a message board, not a wiki talk page, but since you're here: Genesis was created unintentionally by it's parents. It's parents mating was thanks to the manipulations of God, because God was such a junkie for love and worship, he wanted the love of something as powerful (or possibly more powerful) than himself.

The Samson Squad was laughing at Starr because Hoover had put black ink on his binoculars, leaving black circles around his eyes after he used them he was unaware of. This is a very basic practical joke that spans back decades, you'll often see it in old Looney Tunes cartoons and the like.

No, when Jesse was brought back to life, his eye was healed. Elijya 15:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Jody and T.C. merge suggestion

I don't see any real need to merge them here. Someday I'm going to do a Minor Characters in Preacher page, but I think they're notable enough to deserve their own article. Somebody should also flesh out the characters section here, with links and a short description for all of their characters with their own article. Stilgar135 05:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. They have had their own little adventures which works for me. I also agree about the other things you say. There should be a list in the characters section with a couple of paragraphs each and a another entry on the minor characters probably with the name: List of minor characters in Preacher. SOmeone appears to have removed the section and the merge suggestion which is probably bad form but all fixable. (Emperor 04:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

Good times. I'll start work on that article next week, when school ends. After all, we want this page to look good when the hordes of HBO fans show up. Stilgar135 04:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Very good point. They'll be gasping to suckle on the information teat (not sure what that'd make you though ;) ). We should bear that in mind and not be shy about using spoiler tags where appropriate and probably keeping spoileresque information out of the character list. (Emperor 05:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

I've been called a boob once or twice, and now it all makes sense ;). I think we should have a relatively spoiler-free major characters section on this page. These will be short write-ups in the style of the character introductions from the front pages of the trades. There'll be a link to List of characters in Preacher, which will have comprehensive biographies for those who don't get their own page and links to those who do, in the spirit of List of Characters in Fables. Stilgar135 21:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

All sounds fine to me - I was working from examples like List of minor characters in Judge Dredd which would mean you could have a section on the mian characters link their entries and then a page for short descriptions (with references to their appearances) of the minor characters. Either way sounds fine to me. One thing I was thinking - perhaps a simple template might be in order to aid navigation. Mainly characters with a few extra links for the main entry and Salvation along with something for the creators (Ennis and artists, colourers, etc.). (Emperor 21:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

An entry: Minor Characters in Preacher (comics) has popped up on my radar and the proposed merges seem to have been made into it. This seem adequate (although we can move it if you'd prefer - it probabl needs moving anyway as "characters" should be lower case so it might as well go to the right place) and I've started a characters section above plot and linked in the characters entries and that minor characters one. The characters need a setence or two each describing who they are (without giving any spoilers away) but that isn't a big deal. Making sure the list of characters is in the right place is the important one. As is making sure the current character entries are all strong enough to stand on their own. I've dropped notes into the talk page of the Minor characters entry if anyone is interested in discussing those aspets in more detail. (Emperor 19:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC))

If we do move I'd suggest: List of minor characters in the Preacher comics. Thoughts? (Emperor 23:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC))

TV adaptation

Now it's official HBO will produce the adaptation of the comicbook! Mark Steven Johnson will write the script for the pilot. http://www.moviehole.net/news/20061129_hbo_confesses_to_priest.html

Logan

British Comic Book?

The opening line of this entry states that Preacher is a British comicbook. While I am aware that creators Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon are from the UK, that doesn't make Preacher a British comic book. DC/Vertigo is a US based publisher. I'm sure they also sell comics in England, but the one has nothing to do with the other.

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Responce: Garth Ennis hails from Ireland, however if I remember correctly Steve Dillion is an American. What Ennis implies when he says its a British comic in the inital issue is the America seen in the Preacher books is one viewed through the lense of a Brit. The setting for Preacher is America seen through the twisted eyes of Garth Ennis, or one could even go so far as to infer that Cassidy is very much the embodiment of this concept a true green blooded celtic (albeit an Undead one) lost in a version of America filtered by telivison and myth and a darkly yet wonderfully morose sense of humor and morality...oh and that damn Atlantic Ocean.

 -S. Stein (LI, NY)

Joe R Lansdale Reference in Preacher

Its worth noting that the plot line mentioned that describes the death of Jesus Christ in "Preacher" is a nod to Texan writer Joe R Lansdale, as the fate of Jesus "struck down by a run away dung cart" is taken directly from Lansdale's short story "Trains Not Taken"

In this story Jesus is described as a relative of John The Baptist who was killed in an unfortunate accident of the runaway dung cart type.

(Sorry can't quote directly as I do not have my copy of "By Bizzare Hands" which includes a reprint of this story).

222.153.63.1 10:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

You'd need to be able to source it properly. Even then it is borderline whether it is worth mentioning. I suspect it probably is. (Emperor 14:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC))

link

Hi, the new issue of The Irish Journal of Gothic and Horror Studies, which I'm co-editor of, has quite a good article (about 7,000 words) on Preacher and it's use of genre (Western and Gothic) and Irish elements. I see there are no "External Links" on this page yet. What would you think of adding a link to this article on the page? You can check it here [1]I don't think there's anything quite as in-depth been written about it on the web and as such it could be very useful for people wanting to know more about the series.IrishGothicJournal 13:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be more than welcome. Created an external links section with the link and other websites related to Preacher. Zuracech lordum 08:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

That is a very handy link. I have added it into the Weird West (which deals with cross-genre westerns) section and also dropped a note into the talk page of Crisis (comic) as it has some interesting things to say in passing about Ennis' earlier work for the mag. I have put it into the citation template if anyone else wants to make use of it:

• Kitson, Niall (2007). "Rebel Yells: Genre Hybridity and Irishness in Garth Ennis & Steve Dillon's Preacher". The Irish Journal of Gothic and Horror Studies. 2. Retrieved 2007-05-28. {{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Hope that is helpful. (Emperor 23:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC))

did anybody noticed how the theology of preacher is much like the one in the movie prophecy 1995?

Response: While I've never seen the film, it hardly matters. The first issue of Preacher was published in February of 1995. If you look up issue #1, you'll see that it's got 4/95 as it's pull from shelf date. The Prophecy was released in September of 1995. Lots of books and movies share similar themes with Preacher. Some no doubt influenced Garth Ennis, and some didn't. Others were certainly influenced by Preacher, and others were not. People have been writing books about theology for as long as there has been religion.

God

In the "characters" section, the link from "god" leads to trinity. However, I very much doubt that most Christian would agree that the God depictured in Preacher is the true Christian God. Probably the God character in Preacher should have its own article. // habj 19:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about this the other day. I was casting around for an entry on the depiction of God in comics and ended up creating Gods (comics). It might be worth doing a more general piece God (comics) a bit like Thor (comics) dealing with the different takes on the supreme deity in Judeo-Christian doctrine. We do have Satan (comics) but it is merely a disambiguation page. I suspect the feeling is we'd rather the disambiguation pages were turned into longer entries and this would be ideal, as I don;t think "God (Preacher)" would be large enough to warrant its own entry and would get merged to the "List of minor character in Preacher" whereas I think this is a better approach. (Emperor 20:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC))

Dune

Funny, that there's no mention of Dune. I mean I haven't read any articles about it, but I've read the comics and the influence of the novel Dune is rather obvious, almost to the level of theft. I mean, the use of the Voice is only a coincidence, but when the overweight head of Grail appears who conducts human breeding for genetic purposes, that's just plainly elements from Dune. 81.182.236.176 (talk) 03:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

• There's no mention of Dune because any similarity between the two is mere cooincidence. Mankind has always tried to control power over others. The methods vary, but the goals remain the same. Wyldstaar (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Was a pilot made?

Does anyone know if a pilot was ever actually filmed for HBO? -Joltman (talk) 16:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

• No, there has never been a pilot. The project never got past the planning stage. The filming of a pilot would have recieved widespread coverage on the fanboy websites. The show was never even cast, much less filmed. Wyldstaar (talk) 19:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

merging Grail (DC Comics) here

I saw this article at ANI, and I looked at the three sources. The only source that could make it have notability in the real world is the last one "The Da Vinci Code": What is the Priory of Sion?" written by Massimo Introvigne,published in his Center for Studies on New Religions. Unfortunately this article only says at the end "Preacher and The Magdalena (recently joined by Rex Mundi) were among the popular comic book series which also focused interest on the subject.", and I notice that this text was already merged into this article here. --Enric Naval (talk) 14:08, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I support a merge, as I said at the AfD. ++Lar: t/c 15:04, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I support a merge too. Hiding T 16:44, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Support, as above (and in lieu of <del>;) Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Supported, and done. Sharksaredangerous (talk) 17:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

In-Universe Writing Style?

A few points in the article seem too flowery and in-universe for Wikipedia. Specifically, "In other words, Jesse Custer, bonded to Genesis, may have become the most powerful being in the whole of living existence" and "the image of the Saint of Killers, a reformed bounty hunter-turned-killer-once-more in the tradition of Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven character, William Munny, is a nod to the classic Western notion of nemesis, straight and true and terrible." In the case of the former, does it add anything that isn't expressed in the previous sentence, "However, as it is composed of both pure goodness and pure evil, it might have enough power to rival that of God Himself," beyond a more flashy wording? In the latter, there's no explanation of "the classic Western notion of nemesis" - just a poetic non-description. If it's a quotation from the comic, put it in quotes and give a citation. If it's not, would it be better to either ditch it or attach it to a greater explanation of what the Western notion of nemesis actually is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.166.175.129 (talk) 19:37, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Picked for series

Ok now that preacher was picked for series, can I ask the guy that deleted my Preacher TV series wikipedia page to BRING IT BACK??? preetty please Poroboros (talk) 19:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

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Preacher draws on movies, particularly Westerns, for many of its stylistic elements. For example: an apparition of John Wayne is a recurring character and serves as a sort of spiritual guide or conscience for Custer; Monument Valley and The Alamo serve as backdrops to various legs of the journey; for a time, Jesse acts as the sheriff of a small town in Texas, and must protect the inhabitants from harm; the image of the Saint of Killers, a reformed bounty hunter-turned-killer-once-more in the tradition of Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven character, William Munny, is a nod to the classic Western notion of nemesis, straight and true and terrible.

The series also invokes ideas popularized by such books as Holy Blood, Holy Grail. As Massimo Introvigne of the Center for Studies on New Religion explains, Preacher was "among the popular comic book series which...focused interest on the subject."(ref about the book HBHG) Within Preacher the claims that there is a still-viable bloodline descending from Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene similar to those in Holy Blood, Holy Grail are taken as true. Herr Starr reveals to Cassidy that Jesus had children, and did not die on the cross, but instead lived to middle-age, and was killed by a runaway offal cart. After his death the Grail guardians took away his offspring, who were forced to intra-marry with one another in order to keep Jesus' divine power within the bloodline. For over 2000 years this intra-marrying perpetuated an incestuous family tree culminating the last of the Jesus line, a mentally handicapped child, in whom the Grail guardians place their hopes.

The original plot and premise of Preacher was spun out of Ennis' run on Hellblazer, which postulated what would happen if an angel and a demon mated, and the spirit of their offspring ended up in a mortal man. Like many comics spun out of DC's 1990s work, it incorporates the idea of the Jewish God (Jahve) as the main antagonist of the series, serving as the creator who has left his creation. Other related comics include Swamp Thing and Sandman (and its spinoffs, like Lucifer).

The entire section has been uncited since December of 2014. I'm guessing enough time was given for someone to cite any of the material and so its been removed. None of it can return to the article without having every claim verified by a reliable source. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

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