Talk:Poynter Institute

What does this command even mean?.

This article relies too much on references to primary sources. Please improve this article by adding secondary or tertiary sources.

This article would be better if it referenced tertiary sources? Wikipedia itself is a tertiary source. I was taught that primary sources -- eyewitnesses, people with first-hand experience -- were the best to use when writing any monograph, because they were not filtered by later writers.

If wikipedia is using an idiosyncratic definition of "primary sources," they should link to it.50.0.36.241 (talk) 16:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. Wikipedia has an entire page which describes its policy on sources, Wikipedia:No original research, and defines primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. Tertiary sources are not necessarily ideal sources, but they can be very good sources to identify views which are fringe or not independent of the topic. Wikipedia notes that it is a tertiary source, but explicitly exempts itself as an acceptable source, because it can be edited by almost anyone at any time, which in turn means that it is not a stable or fact-checked. You are correct in stating that primary sources are the best sources for monographs, but Wikipedia is not composed of monographs; it is composed of articles which cite reliable, verifiable sources. Horologium (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Still needs better sourcing

I've put in 3 independent sources, though 1 is a directory type listing from Bloomberg and 2 cover the same, fairly minor event. I had a 4th that mentions the Institute in passing, but I felt it might give more depth to that event. I didn't add it because it has the same author as one of the others (so much for different viewpoints). In case anybody is interested it's

• Gold, Hadas (11 June 2018). "Craigslist founder gives $20 million to journalism school". CNN. Retrieved 16 November 2018.

different school of course. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 22:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Poytner biases

Poytner and by extension their propaganda arm “PolitiFact” are a known Democrat organization. With many of their “fact checks” being unraveled as leaning left misinformation. 2600:1003:B85B:81E0:C8C7:2690:C226:C824 (talk) 02:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Newslinger talk 04:22, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Newslinger honest question: when all the sources deemed reliable by wikipedia ultimately rely on the Poynter institure's IFCN for fact checking how can we possibly prove their bias using them? You're essentially asking us to [indirectly] cite the Poynter institute's opinion on the Poynter institute. it's extremely circular logic. it would be like asking us to prove the existance of a secret cooperation between newscorp and the nra by citing sources exclusively owned, operated or partnered with either newscorp or the nra. 87.1.18.129 (talk) 21:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Most reliable sources on Wikipedia are unrated by the International Fact Checking Network, so your argument is not valid. — Newslinger talk 05:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

You are 100% correct, sadly just like the outlets you speak of, wiki too is biased and not trustworthy. Every single college across the US specifically state in their curriculum's to NOT use Wikipedia as a verifiable/trustworthy citation for schoolwork. There are no "reliable" sources, everything is biased.

The amount of "cooperations" its had with other outlets is proof enough lmfao, how blind and ignorant could people really be? Just go read the wiki article for yourself, under the "Expansion and development" section. Hypocrisy? Sure looks to be that way, the majority of every one of these in your list is BIASED, by fact.

Craig Newmark

Revcontent

Charles Koch (EVERYTHING HE IS AFFILIATED WITH)

PolitiFact (Disgustingly biased, look at their donor list. Funny when you have a for-profit entity embedded into a NON-PROFIT org)

The Washington Post (The owner is enough proof)

"Other" sponsors are CNN, the Scripps Howard Foundations, Craig Newmark Philanthropies, the Ethics and Excellence in Journalism Foundation and TEGNA Foundation

And least we forget! The biggest of all, the "Unreliable List" You guys talked all about it right here in the article...

"Poynter published a list of over 515 news websites that it labeled "unreliable" in 2019. The author of the piece used various fake news databases (including those curated by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, Merrimack College, PolitiFact, and Snopes) to compile the list and called on advertisers to "blacklist" the included sites. The list included conservative news websites such as the Washington Examiner, The Washington Free Beacon, and The Daily Signal as well as conspiracy outfits including InfoWars. After backlash from both readers of and contributors to some of the included publications, Poynter retracted the list, citing "weaknesses in the methodology". Poynter issued a statement, saying: "[w]e regret that we failed to ensure that the data was rigorous before publication, and apologize for the confusion and agitation caused by its publication." Reason pointed out that the author was a freelancer hired by the Institute who typically works for the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC). Reason drew parallels between the accuracy of the list with SPLC's own work on hate groups."

Grossly disgusting hypocrisy I would say. I know who runs the site, I expect 0 to change or be changed. I just continue, like many many others in the education field, to push the actual truth and to stop trusting what is in front of you! QUESTION everything, because if you don't you'll never learn anything, only what someone else has learned. Research is KEY, be an individual not a sheep. 172.59.74.86 (talk) 00:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll leave this here. https://www.poynter.org/major-funders/ It's public to all, yet no one ever seems to look and question it. 172.59.74.86 (talk) 00:52, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

And to the oversight user: Superb Owl , We know who you are. 172.59.74.86 (talk) 01:04, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Accredited/degree-granting?

Is the school an accredited or degree-granting institution, or do they just provide training? DelTribe 13:54, 11 August 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DelTribe (talk • contribs)

July 2024 update + custom search engine

1) noting here that I've removed some unsourced/primary-sourced material that was flagged and flagged some others for removal later if not addressed.
2) These custom search engines also include all English-language fact-checking pages of Poynter's IFCN members - feedback/ideas welcome Superb Owl (talk) 02:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)