Talk:Post-traumatic embitterment disorder

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Major problems holding up further additions to this article

I alone have been doing all the work on this article for a month. If somebody can fix the below problems since I cannot I will be able to put in more time and energy since I am an expert on PTED but not on Wikipedia. One the references, hyphen, etc are fixed I can add and put in the next set of major improvements but I cannot do so until then.

Could the above please sign their work (four tildes ~ at the end). As well, I am curious, as there are few (recent) resources on PTED, is it still an active field of research? As well, how does it compare/contrast with C-PTSD? AnyyVen (talk) 17:30, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Specific problems to resolve that others need help with

Book and article references need to be put in correct format

I don't know how to do the book and article references correctly Wikipedia-wise

Hyphen controversy and confusion over correct spelling

Please help resolve with all primary sources to see if this is: Posttraumatic --as one word, Post traumatic -- as two words, or Post-traumatic --with a hyphen. I have seen it all three ways in my life; this is stupid. Somebody needs to fix it after finding out the correct way to do it and fix everything.

Most likely correct version

Note that POSTRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER is what POSTTRAUMATIC EMBITTERMENT DISORDER is modeled after so it should NOT HAVE A HYPEN in post traumatic. The book written by Linden does not have a hyphen in its title!

What needs to be done

So I assume it is hyphen less but I do not know how to create a new Wikipedia page, redirect the hyphen version to it. I do not know how to do the Wikipedia redirections.

Wisdom therapy entry needed

The entry on wisdom therapy in Wikipedia was banned some years ago. It needs to be remade but with the wisdom therapy subject matter from linden's book and the developer of wisdom theory Can somebody do this?

This article needs to be wikified and cleaned up by expert at editing without changing the content of the article

Do you best, do what you can, but do not change the content which is correct at this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.74.248.213 (talk) 02:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The purpose of this article is to dignify the books which it intends to promote.

Therefore, the purpose of Wikipedia, in this case, is to promote a commercial venture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.20.8.226 (talk) 04:32, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a blatant article to sell dubious books as the sinebot and somebody else have suggested

I HAVE A PDH IN PSYCHOLOGY; THIS IS 100% LEGETMATE; PLEASE REINSTATE BOOK REFERENCES IN PROPER FORM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.207.224 (talk • contribs)

THESE NEED TO BE PUT BACK IN IN PROPER REFERENCE FORM WHICH I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO: Primary Source Seminal Books on PTED

There are only two books ever published on PTED; both are by or edited by Michael Linden. These books are the primary sources on this syndrome and the best starting place instead of the scattered academic literature.

The first published and seminal book comprehensively explaining and focusing completely narrow-angle on the syndrome and all related information up to 2006 which includes most if not all of the essential information in Michael Linden’s 2003 through 2008 scholarly publications is:

Title: Posttraumatic Embitterment Disorder: Definition, Evidence, Diagnosis, Treatment

Authors: Michael Linden, Max Rotter, Kai Baumann, Barbara Lieberei

Publisher: Hogrefe & Huber Publishing; 1st Edition

Published: November 20, 2006

ISBN 0889373442

ISBN 978-0889373440

The cited references in the above book and the following book give as complete a survey of all related PTED published articles for those looking for a complete published scientific literature account.

The second book is an unofficial "sequel" and companion to the first book; it is topically a wide-angle view of embitterment and PTED in a broad aspects of embitterment throughout the social sciences to 2010 is:

Title: Embitterment: Societal, Psychological, and Clinical Perspectives

Editors: Michael Linden, Andreas Maercker

Publisher: Springer; 1st Edition.

Published: December 5, 2010

ISBN 3211997407

ISBN 978-3211997406 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.7.207.224 (talk • contribs)

Please don't write in all capital letters, it comes across as shouting. Your claim to have a Ph.D. would be more convincing if you were able to spell it correctly. Also, Sinebot is not a person, it is a mechanism that adds signatures when people forget to put them. Normally, talk page messages should be signed by adding ~~~~ at the end. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 22:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Post-traumatic embitterment disorder quotations

Dwelling on the past will never allow me to experience peace in the present moment

-Brahma Kumaris

He who seeks vengeance digs two graves; one for his enemy and one for himself

-Unknown

All the time you spend trying to get back what's been stolen from you more is going out the door

-Ellis, no country for old men — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.180 (talk) 13:12, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You must close one door before another will open

- Taoist saying — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.82.66 (talk) 20:47, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with PTSD page

This is literally describing the exact same thing as PTSD. Why is this any different? Mateoski06 (talk) 20:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PTED is related to PTSD, but it’s not the same. PTSD is the result of a potentially life-threatening experience of extreme fear. PTED is caused by some sort of insult or humiliation that may seem nothing to outsiders but causes deep and long-lasting embitterment in the victim with feelings of anger, hate and revenge, but it will not cause recurring fear and panic attacks. 2A02:8071:DC0:1D00:4CD1:4606:504:ADD5 (talk) 00:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do think this is within the same constellation as PTSD: I seem to remember finding a paper addressing the relationship between PTSD, PTED, CPTSD and Moral injury. There is some acceptance that there are "different" elements of trauma responses that affect people's interpersonal relationships, trust, and relationship with society. It's quite plausible to me that Moral injury and PTED are "the same thing" but confirming this would take a lot of tedious statistics and getting rare people to fill out forms. Talpedia (talk) 12:05, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve been following the recent discussions about PTED on Wikipedia and have read a lot about the disorder lately. This does not make me an expert, but based on what I’ve read about PTED, it’s not the same as a moral injury. PTED is always triggered by exactly one singular event, which to outsiders commonly appears trivial, but generally comes in form of an insult, a humiliation, or injustice. Those affected will experience wrath and hatred but never guilt, which they instead project onto the stressor. The embitterment resulting from a moral injury, however, can also be the result of an accumulation of negative events over a longer period of time. Besides that, morally injured people usually experience shame and guilt for their actions and only develop feelings like wrath and hatred if there is a concrete outside stressor to blame. Apparently, the causes of moral injuries are also much more comprehensible to outsiders.

I intend to heavily work on the PTED article in the coming days, since it really is in urgent need of improvement. SapereAudete (talk) 22:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SapereAudete, Please do help with the work on this PTED article. Finding other references, apart from Linden, will help to prevent the article being deleted. (Deletion is quite possible at the moment). Here is one such recent publication on PTED by Claire Carter, it can be added as a reference for existing text on the page and/or a new sentence: [1]

Thanks again, ♥ VisitingPhilosopher ♥ ^{talk ◊ contribs} 10:33, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of this page at WikiProject medicine

Note that there was some discussion of this page at WikiProject Medicine - here's the link, for reference. Ganesha811 (talk) 22:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Revision on May 25th, 2022

I’ve just started a full revision of the article, since it seemed in utter need of it. I’m from Germany and therefore not a native speaker of English, so please feel free to fix mistakes and phrasings I might have gotten wrong. I’m not yet done with the article and will add missing citations and literature in the next few days.SapereAudete (talk) 12:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've also added a bibliography. However, I'm not sure about the citation method used on Wikipedia, so I would ask for someone to give it some attention and fix the citations. Currently, they are still a bit inconsistent.SapereAudete (talk) 14:56, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A new notable reference and observations for article improvement

Feedback on this article includes an observation that PTED has not been studied recently. However, I have seen a recent publication on PTED by Claire Carter, it can be added as a reference for existing text on the page and/or a new sentence: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1756061621000288

Other feedback has mentioned that several of the article's statements and conclusions are not referenced. It appears that early author(s) of the article were not familiar with Wikipedia's etiquette of a reference from a NOTABLE source for each concept / idea / conclusion. This is because wikipedia must not hold original thought (WP:OR). Retro-fitting these references to a full article is really a job for the original authors, not really for wikignomes. (WP:GNOMEs ) I don't believe that heavy editing is the way forward for the article. Assuming WP:GOODFAITH, the unreferenced items in the article can be improved in the future. Hopefully by the original contributor(s) of the material.

Hope this helps, ♥ VisitingPhilosopher ♥ ^{talk ◊ contribs} 15:20, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]