Talk:Porthmadog/Archive 1

Archive 1

revision war

Why are we embarking on a revision war again? The naming conventions policy clearly allows the mentioning of traditional counties. If Wikipedia has a page describing them why do you wish to remove links to that page? The whole "was a part of" is clearly your POV. Leaving a link to the article allows the reader to decide for his/her self. Owain 19:16, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Not in the present tense it doesn't. G-Man 18:45, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

That is your point-of-view! How can something be described as being in a specific geographical area at some arbitrary point in the past, if that geographical area hasn't changed? Why do I feel the need to quote your policy back at you?

Examples of acceptable things: Coventry is in the West Midlands, and within the traditional borders of Warwickshire. Middlesex is a traditional county of England. You will notice that both of these so-called acceptable things are in the present tense. I am changing the article back to the present tense. Owain 19:09, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No Owain the policy is very clear, it clearly states: They should treat the counties as one entity which has changed its boundaries with time. We should not take the minority position that they still exist with the former boundaries

And also

The pidgeons were found in Abingdon then a part of Berkshire.

As for the Middlesex example a clear explanation of that is underneath. G-Man 19:14, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Assuming that one does take the rather absurd position that counties cannot change and the traditional counties were the original counties, what date did the traditional counties become set in stone? How far back do you go? To celtic times?

The boundary of the Caernarfonshire, in particular, changed substantially lots of times. Llandudno, for instance, was in and out of it like a jack-in-a-box.

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 20:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation

The pronunciation "Port Madock" is incorrect. Can someone who knows IPA transcribe the following? 'P' as in 'pen', 'o' as in 'con', rolled 'r', 'th' as in 'thick', 'mad' as in 'mad' (with the stress here), and 'og' as in 'dog'. Gareth 20:28, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Whilst I have no objection to IPA, what is the point when few people understand it. In this case, what is the problem? Portmadoc is pronounced Portmadoc and Porthmadog is pronounced Porthmadog with a rolled 'r' that need not cause concern to anyone. But please it is not helpful to anybody to write pronounced "Port Madock". Please may we revert to the unexplained version. NoelWalley 22:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I just corrected this before realising there was an ongoing discussion. I have transcribed how I pronounce it into IPA, but can someone who is more familiar with the word check it, in particular, the stress. I have also emboldened the phonemes that vary from how one would expect the word to be pronounced in RP English; someone may want to remove that or replace it with links to the phonemes' articles.

I suppose one could argue that the awful "Port Madock" pronunciation is legitimate in that some people use it. However, I find immigrants from England, like myself, tend to use the Welsh pronunciation (possibly without the trilled r sometimes). The Welsh pronunciation doesn't contain any phonemes English speakers are not familiar with and is almost the same as the natural RP pronunciation, unlike "Port Madock" which sounds like a pronunciation of an anglicised spelling of the word. Maybe someone should add something on the history of anglicised spellings.

[In response to NoelWalley, this is probably a discussion for talk:IPA or somewhere, but in the interests of devil's advocacy, I'll bite. If you are saying that maybe we shouldn't mention pronunciation, knowing how to pronounce a place would seem to be a very notable fact someone learning about the place would wish to know, so I would see no reason to remove it. Assuming that you haven't found an easier system for expressing the multitude of human sounds, it is reasonable for us to expect users to look up the meanings of the sounds, as we document them all here on Wikipedia. IMO, we should use complex words or symbols if they improve the readability and conciseness of the text as long as we document those words or symbols. I'm sure there is a guideline or something saying something similar (i.e.: we should use complex ideas then link to them as this broadens the knowledge of our readers, which is surely our aim). I learned how to pronounce and write most of the IPA (at least, what is needed for Indo-European languages) off by heart in probably less than hour, although admittedly not from Wikipedia—the sound files here may make it easier though.]

If I wrote as much on articles as I do on talk pages sometimes, I'd probably be a more valuable wikipedian. :-)

--Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 20:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Religion

Can anyone supply information on the religious history of Porthmadog and its villages? There must be something somewhere on the chapels and churches of the town, though the only thing I have been able to find is a 100 year old plus Welsh text on Genuki. Skinsmoke (talk) 00:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Snowdon Mill

Whilst there are plenty of websites describing Snowdon Mill as a craft centre etc, is this not the same place as the one recently converted into flats? See here Hogyn Lleol (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

to answer your question, they are one and the same --Keith 03:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

And very nice they look too. Have updated the article. Thanks for that. Anything else that needs updating, your input would be gratefully received. Skinsmoke (talk) 00:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Pictures

If we need any pictures of Porthmadog or surrounding area, I'll be going there in a month or so. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I'll be over myself in September as well. There are no good pictures on Commons of Borth-y-Gest or Morfa Bychan, and we could do with some examples of the architecture both in the town and in Tremadog. Chapels, houses, the converted mill, the maritime museum, Kerfoots, the churches and chapels, maybe the little school at Borth-y-Gest. Including Morfa Bychan and Tremadog there are three pages plus the articles on the four railways (and their station pages), plus Traeth Mawr. Have a look at the images on Criccieth for an idea (if you're over there see if you can get a better photo of the Lifeboat Station!). I do hope to get a bit more information on the religious history of Porthmadog, and the town's architecture when I'm there, so that will probably need padding out with images. Skinsmoke (talk) 14:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)