Talk:Popular Socialist Vanguard

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VPS, leftwing politics and antifascism

User:MrClog, I would like to Payne's sources in context. Some non-chileans historians miss the split between MNS and VPS. --IVFC14 (talk) 16:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(...) the party, firmly repudiated Hitlerism and moved closer to socialism" in: Haring, C. H. (1939). Chile Moves Left. Foreign Affairs, 17(3), p. 622.
"Tras el colapso del MNS, los nacistas tomaron principalmente tres caminos. Un grupo se mantuvo fiel a González von Marées y refundó el partido bajo el nombre de Vanguardia Popular Socialista (VPS), declarándolo de izquierda y enemigo del fascismo." in Guzmán Castro, G. (2012). La patria sin judíos: antisemitismo nacionalista en Chile, 1932-1940: los casos del Movimiento Nacional Socialista y del Partido Nacional Fascista. Santiago de Chile: Universidad de Chile, p. 8.
"El ex-fuhrer nacista Jorge González Von Marées, a pesar de considerarse el dirigente de un partido de izquierda y simpatizante del Frente Popular tras haber conducido al nacismo desde una línea anti frentista durante el año 1937, a una pro izquierdista durante enero de 1939, después de transformar al M. N. S. en un partido antifascista llamado Vanguardia Popular Socialista" in: Hernández Ferrada, V. (2015). Refugiados indeseables en Chile antes y durante la Segunda Guerra Mundial. El carácter antisemita de los nazis y nacis chilenos y sus aliados en la derecha liberal y conservadora. Santiago de Chile: Universidad Academia de Humanismo Cristiano, p. 198.
"Este nuevo partido (VPS) rechazaba abiertamente el fascismo" in Socorro, J.(2003). El movimiento neonazi en Chile entre 1990 y 2003. Santiago, Chile: Universidad Diego Portales, p. 20.
"Debido a ello, el MNS no volvió a lograr recomponerse, aunque cambió su nombre por Vanguardia Popular Socialista. González von Marées siguió siendo su líder carismático, definiendo a su continuadora como una organización "antifascista, antiimperialista y adicta a la lucha de clases"." in: La Firme (2009). Nazis y Movimiento Nazi en Chile. Centro de Estudios Miguel Enriquez, p. 3.
"Posteriormente el MNS rechazaría su identificación con el fascismo y Jorge González declararía que era parte de "la izquierda política de Chile" in Robertson, E. (2018). MNS, Nazismo, Fascismo. Revista Ciudad de los Césares, 116, p. 43.

The New International Year Book (Dodd, Mead & Co., 1942) calls it "pro-Fascist". Latin America, Its Place in World Life (1942, Harcourt) calls it a "fascist group". I might have to try to get a JSTOR account again if this debate keeps up. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The source I added, ^[1] discussed the relationship between the two parties. @NinjaRobotPirate and MrClog: email me and I'll send you a copy.

References

^ Klein, Marcus (2001). [www.jstor.org/stable/3653688 "The New Voices of Chilean Fascism and the Popular Front, 1938-1942"]. Journal of Latin American Studies. 33 (2): 347–375. ISSN 0022-216X. Retrieved 19 March 2020. {{cite journal}}: Check |url= value (help)

Doug Weller talk 19:32, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At the ANI thread I pointed out that this article says that in 1942 most of its members joined " Juan Gómez Millas ' Partido Unión Nacionalista de Chile [ es ]." and his article says "Gómez Millas was founder of the far-right political party Partido Unión Nacionalista de Chile [es], which existed from 1943 until 1945. Gómez Millas aligned the party with Nazism and Fascist Italy." - so all these left-wingers joined a right wing pro-Nazi party?The source above is the source for Millas's article, and that says "of the political system. Vanguardia Popular Socialista (the name of the MNS since January fascist roots in the (Chilean) autumn of I940 did not revive the of the radical right. The Vanguardia, the Movimiento Nacionalista of smaller groups that followed the former dictator Carlos Ibafiez Uni6n Nacionalista in March 1942, but this was a last desperate breathe new life into a dying cause."

Another and telling quote:"In July 1941, members of the Vanguardia, together with militants of the MNCh, assaulted the Circulo Israe/ita in Santiago, breaking the furniture of the institution and beating up three employees.132 Following an earlier statement by Trabajo, which had denounced the threat of the ‘Fifth Column’ as ‘a ghost created by the British “Intelligence Service”’,133 Gonzalez now openly embraced the cause of the Axis and emerged as an ardent defender of the Third Reich in the Chamber of Deputies. In August 1941 he voiced the hope that Germany would win the war." and also "The factions that followed in the footsteps of the MNS after its transformation into the VPS - the Partido Nacional Fascista and the Movimiento Nacionalista de Chile - bore all the hallmarks of fascist movements. Their programmatic declarations demonstrate that both were genuinely fascist factions ; the same interference applies to the Vanguardia after the return to its nacista roots in 1940. They all preached the imminent revival of the Chilean nation on the basis of a revolutionary from of ultranationalism, and promised to establish a regime that would transcend liberal democracy and frcc-markct capitalism on the one hand and communism on the other" The source I'm using is "The New Voices of Chilean Fascism and the Popular Front, 1938-1942 " by Marcus Klein Journal of Latin American Studies, Vol. 33, No. 2 (May, 2001), pp. 347-375 Published by: Cambridge University Press. Doug Weller talk 19:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[Klein-1] Klein, Marcus (2001). [www.jstor.org/stable/3653688 "The New Voices of Chilean Fascism and the Popular Front, 1938-1942"]. Journal of Latin American Studies. 33 (2): 347–375. ISSN 0022-216X. Retrieved 19 March 2020. {{cite journal}}: Check |url= value (help)

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