Talk:Pope Celestine IV

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Why does he count?

According to his article, Pope-elect Stephen is nowadays not consered a legitimate pope, since he died before his coronation. According to this article, Celestine IV also died before his coronation, so why is he considered legitimate when Stephen is not? /Ludde23 ^{Talk Contrib} 14:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The law concerning the papal elections has been changed in the meantime. When Stephen was elected it was neccessary to receive episcopal consecration to assume the papal office. After the Decree In Nomine Domini of Pope Nicholas II (1059) the elect could have exercised papal office immadiately after his election, no matter whether already bishop or not. Besides, it is neccessary to distinguish the rites of episcopal consecration and of coronation. Celestine IV received episcopal consecration in 1238, three years before his election to the papacy, because in this year he became bishop of Sabina. He died before coronation, but not before episcopal consecration. Stephen was not a bishop when elected pope. CarlosPn (talk) 18:07, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excommunication of Orsini?

I fixed the reference to "Matteo Orsini" to correctly point to the Senator who was alive at the time and heavily involved in the conclave that elected Pope Celestine IV. However, I can find no reference to his excommunication by Celestine anywhere on the net. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.0.5.72 (talk) 14:47, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very informative, but confusing

By and large I really liked reading this article, but it doesn't seem like a Wikipedia article about pope celestine iv, more like an article about the issues surrounding his coronation and the papal spat with Frederick II. I would rewrite it, but I know nothing about the subject except what I have learned here. 49.197.228.50 (talk) 01:06, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cause of death fatigue and old age at 61?

A bit suspicious I'd say. A lot of poisonings going on in this time. 24.190.10.91 (talk) 13:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]