Talk:Pop-Tarts/Archive 1

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All varieties contain bird fetus

How about making them without eggs? Why is it customary to put birthing fluid in baked goods? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.111.191 (talk) 08:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Nyan cat anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.78.255.241 (talk) 21:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

UK PopTart variety's outdated

We no longer have chocomallow or Cherry in the UK, and we have 3 new flavours available at ASDA, Apple Blast, Bustin' Berry, and Very Cherry. Please someone update this. (http://www.kelloggs.co.uk/products/poptarts/Snack/pop_tart_apple.aspx) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimat (talk • contribs) 23:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Good article

Whoa. Now this is what I like to see in an article. :) - Furrykef 09:47, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I nominated it. --Gray Porpoise 23:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

"Billion" vs. "10^9"

The article on billion says that its meaning as 10^9 is now standard in all English speaking countries. I think that is also more readable, and comprehensible for readers not familiar with scientific notation. ike9898 00:49, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

Let me guess what kind of person that would be. Probably a kindergartener, but I remember seeing from a user talk page of a vandal that Wikipedia is not kindergarten. Are there plenty of teenagers who are not familiar with scientific notation?? Georgia guy 15:12, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish here. I don't think Wikipedia is supposed to be an exercise in elitism. More readers of this article will understand the meaning of billion than 10⁹. If you think billion will confuse some people, why not just link the word to billion? SCEhardt 00:44, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Changed back to billion, no link. ike9898 01:20, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Cookie vs Pastry

What's up with the flurry of edits lately insisting that Pop-Tarts are cookies and not pastries? Is there a theory or argument behind all this, or is it just vandalism? Multiple users seemed to have the same idea, which was odd. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 01:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yep. It's a pastry. 12hernn 04:58, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Wtf it is a cookie i dk what u r talking about the are yummy as hell and not fancy at all that is why it is a cookie and not a pastry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.211.90.12 (talk) 19:24, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Post sold to Post?

" Post announced their new product in 1963 to the press, giving them the name "Country Squares." They then sent it to America, and sold it to Post" There's gotta be a mistake in there. —This unsigned comment is by 24.26.168.164 (talk • contribs) .

I've removed the part that doesn't make sense. -SCEhardT 04:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Eating Pop-Tarts frozen

I added a sentence to the first paragraph about eating the pastries frozen rather than heated or straight out of the box. I wanted to include a section later in the article about which varieties were part of this marketing campaign, which included special packaging for these varieties (the foil pouches were printed with images that changed color in cold temperatures), and to include a date rather than saying "more recently"; only I haven't found accurate information yet. (I've even searched for it on several Kellogg's sites.) I think this campaign was active in 2005, but I don't know if it had been going on earlier, or is still active; and the varieties seemed to be ones with creamy fillings, especially those flavored like frozen dairy treats like Frosted Hot Fudge Sundae or Strawberry Milkshake. If anybody has the relevant facts, I would appreciate the addition. B7T 21:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

They still produce the freezer Pop Tarts, But they don't make new ones.- 12hernn

Earlier this year, they launched an add campaign for Frozen Mint Chocolate Chip (Ice Cream) Poptarts. So, yeah, the campaign is still going on. And they did make new ones. By the way, part of the campaign was handing out frozen individually wrapped Mint Chocolate Chip poptarts for free at the end of all the American Idols Live! 2006 Concerts, and also advertised the flavor at the concerts before and after the show and during the intermission.

New Commercial

Double Berry is the newest flavor. It is strawberry and blueberry twisted. The poptarts Cherry, Strawberry, Wildberry, Blueberry and Doubleberry are stranded on an island.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.101.12 (talk • contribs)

Kelloggs no longer sell Pop-Tarts in Australia.

There is an online petition where you can sign anonymously to get Pop-Tarts back on our market!

(External link removed on 5 September 2015. Target website is blacklisted by Wikipedia. Clarinetguy097 (talk) 18:32, 5 September 2015 (UTC))

If you are an Australian craving some Pop-Tarts, give this recipe a go!!!

POP-TARTS

Ingredients 4 cups Flour 1 Egg 1 3/4 cups Vegetable Shortening 1 teaspoon Vinegar 2 tablespoon Sugar 1/2 cup Cold Water 1 teaspoon Baking Powder 16 tablespoon Jam -- any flavor divided 1 teaspoon Salt

Directions In a large bowl, cut flour and shortening together with pastry blender or two butter knives, until completely blended (mixture will resemble crumbs). Add sugar, baking powder, salt, egg, vinegar and cold water. Mix with hands until mixture forms a ball. Wrap in plastic wrap and refrigerate for 30 minutes. Divide dough into fourths, refrigerating the portions you are not working with yet.

Take first 1/4 of dough and roll out onto a floured surface. Cut into rectangles using a sharp knife. It is helpful to make a template the size you wish your poptarts to be, from cardboard or heavy plastic, so they will be a uniform size. Spread on tbsp. jam on one half of the rectangles, leaving a half inch or so on the edges without jam. Cover with the other half of the rectangles. Crimp edges with a fork. Bake at 350 degrees F. for 12 - 15 minutes or until the pie dough is evenly browned and cooked through. Cool completely and place into zip baggies for storage until you are ready to eat them. Repeat with remaining dough and jam until it is all completed.

Variation: Glaze pop tarts with a simple glaze made from powdered sugar, milk and vanilla extract. Be sure to let glaze dry hard before placing pop tarts into storage baggies.

Pop-Tarts may be stored up to one week as you would store bread, or frozen for up to 3 months before use.

Maybe they'd be more popular in Australia if there was a Vegemite version! - Denimadept (talk) 18:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

For that matter, why not meat Pop-Tarts of various kinds? - Denimadept (talk) 23:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

New Ad Campaign, 2006 with 'adult cartoon' imagery?

It looks like Kellogg's has created a new ad campaign. It's somewhat odd, in that the animation style in the TV commercial looks a lot like something created by David Firth. In fact the stick figure who now appears in the center of the 'O' character in the Pop-Tarts logo looks like Firth's Salad Fingers character. The pop tart in the "Freeze 'em and Eat 'em" campaign resembles Towelie from South Park.

Unnoticed Joke

I removed Yogurt Blasts™ Peter North (Limited Edition) from the list of Pop Tart Varieties. If you are at all familiar with Peter North (porn star), you would know right away this is a joke someone slipped in.--Kingadrock 09:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

aHA! this made me lol so much!--Deglr6328 11:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA

Before renominating this article, a few things must be changed:

• Inline citations must be added
• The bulletted lists must be removed or converted into paragraph form (Or broken off into a new article--Esprit15d 13:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC))
• How are they produced?

Some P. Erson 21:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Also the lead section is too long.--Esprit15d 13:08, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow

They were invented in China at the height of the horrors of the great leap forward?! Amazing! Who knew Mao was capable of such feats!--Deglr6328 11:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm eating them now. Go to my talk page so I can talk. Ian.bjorn (talk) 01:21, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Snak Stix

Odd. No mention of the Pop Tarts Snak Stix spinoff from 1994? (It's like the GoTarts we have today, but comes in fours instead of a single one and can easily be broken individually) There's also no mention of Pop Tarts Crunch from 1995. Leileilol 22:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

i forgot about the snak stix-lol i liked them. should deff include in the article somewhere

Pictures

Honestly, do we need TWO pictures of Pop-Tarts? One is enough, and the box. —ScouterSig 16:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Practical Uses

This page shows some 'serious' research into alternate uses for the strawberry pop tart. Because I'm lazy, anyone else feel like adding something about it into the article? --3Lance 12:39, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Monty Python

"At first, there were only four flavors of Pop-Tarts: strawberry, blueberry, cherry, apple currant[citation needed], and cinnamon."

Right. Komet 23:36, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Plural

I find the assertion, that Pop Tarts should not be ever said in the singular, is ridiculus. I know of no one who would say that they "are going to have a PopTarts"!

Agreed. A Pop-Tart is a Pop-Tart.

I also agree; this should be moved to Pop-Tart. Retodon8 15:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree: the brand-name is plural. (The fact that they are packaged in pairs is slightly applicable, too). —ScouterSig 15:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Ridiculous Citation

Somebody asked for a citation on the fact that you don't have to refrigerate Pop-Tarts. I cited it. =D Panzer V Panther (talk) 05:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Sold in UK?

The article states these are sold in the UK... but I've never seen them on a shelf in my life. Has this been checked out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.69.194.158 (talk • contribs). In the UK you can buy them in asda, but in other shops they are not easy to find.
The main UK supermarkets do sell them but they usually occupy the bottom shelf and are at the end of the aisle. Something that would suggest that they are not particularly popular ad are not being promoted. LewisR 20:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added some more {{fact}} tags and removed some unsourced info:

The process of making Pop-Tarts begins when pastry dough is rolled through a conveyor belt to form two sheets of crust. The flavored filling is squirted onto the bottom sheet, which is covered by the top sheet. The crust is then cut into rectangles and rolled through a 300 ft (91 m) long oven. Meanwhile, frosting is mixed in tanks and pumped onto the rectangles when they emerge from the oven. The final step is to weigh and drop sprinkles onto the frosting.

-SCEhardT 15:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I didn't know they were still sold here. I haven't seen them since the mid-Nineties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.174.89 (talk) 16:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

They suffered from bad press in the UK in the late 80s early 90s when BBC Watchdog did several episode sections on the number of people, normally children, who had been badly burnt by the hot jam inside them seeping out and getting onto their skin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.171.240 (talk) 20:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

disambiguation request

I believe that this listing needs to be modified into "Pop-Tarts (pastry)" due to the new term of "pop tart (female vocalist)", e.g. Britney Spears, Christina Aguliera, Pink, et al. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.128.175.210 (talk) 11:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Milton

I performed in a commercial for poptarts with milton the toaster. Although I cant recall the year the premise was that I was going to act as a pirate in a school play and pop-tarts were providing encouragement. I saw my commercial air on TV in LA, but never saw annother poptarts commerical with milton after that, except as an part of a 2-D animated montage to music. I never huged milton in that commercial and, although I dont know for sure, my impression was that it had nothing to to with any controversy, merely that advertising styles had changed and cereal companys were moving away from cartoon spokesmen to more stylized commercials. 76.212.144.189 07:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC) Sandy

Vandalism

Could someone edit to fix the following: "and s'mores(aint shook)." Please remove "(aint shook)" which makes no sense in this context. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.92.124.14 (talk) 17:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. -SCEhardT 18:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

why is the article locked

o 142.162.183.13 (talk) 20:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Chronic vandalism. -SCEhardT 23:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

More Vandalism?

I could be wrong... but I don't think Post was working on a way to package "dog food" when they came up with Country Squares. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atmdrgn (talk • contribs) 21:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Check out http://www.wholepop.com/973580985/features/toasters/poptarts.htm (search for "dog food"). Note that I haven't looked into the reliability of that source, but it isn't typical WP vandalism. -SCEhardT 23:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Year invented

Can some one place the year when pop tarts were invented? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.131.113 (talk) 05:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Part of the article was missing. It has been replaced now -SCEhardT 05:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Don Hertzfeldt

I actually came to this article to see if Don did the new Poptarts commercials...I am horrified to see that he did not. Yikes looks like a lawsuiiiit! 71.68.15.63 (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Flavors

An anonymous user added "chocolate vanilla creme", which I found strange so I looked it up. Dang, Kellogg's can get strange!! list of pop-tarts products - Denimadept (talk) 21:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Frosted Chocolate Peanut Butter is now available. (At least in Utah.)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move. JPG-GR (talk) 06:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The name, as clearly shown on the box, is "Pop-Tarts", not "Pop-Tart". It's a word like geese, which is plural, and also has a singular version (goose). 199.125.109.57 (talk) 03:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

• — Brand name of product is in the plural — Robert K S (talk) 01:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I disagree. The article should be listed in the singular. --UsaSatsui (talk) 02:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• Agree; it says "Pop-tarts" on the packet. Snowman (talk) 14:34, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose per Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Prefer_singular_nouns: "In general only create page titles that are in the singular, unless that noun is always in a plural form in English (such as scissors or trousers)." Evidence of the singular "Pop-tart" being used is here, here, and here. It says "pop-tarts" on the box because they are sold in multiples, although they are eaten one at a time unless your a greedy pig (unlike Corn Flakes, Rice Krispies, Cheerios, etc). Whydontyoucallme dantheman (talk) 19:17, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

• Some manufacturers do not follow the wiki rules when choosing a name for their products. There are exceptions to the wiki rule that you quoted. Snowman (talk) 22:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

All of the google hits for pop-tart are for uses other than for the brand name, they are all singular references to one pop-tart. The brand name is still the plural though. Oh, and what happens when we add an s to each search? The hits increase 55%, from 86/629/190 to 173/676/558. 199.125.109.105 (talk) 06:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

• Support, obvious case where Wikipedia:Naming_conventions#Prefer_singular_nouns is subordinate to Ignore all rules and WP:Use common sense. older ≠ wiser 23:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• Support. This is talking about a specific brand/product and should follow the proper name. The general article toaster pastry is correct in being singular. Ham Pastrami (talk) 06:00, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Australia

Hey, didnt know where to add it, but pop tarts are now back in Australia. Also, does anyone know why they were discontinued?? i find it hard to believe it was due to lack of popularity —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.3.64 (talk) 11:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

pov

I disupte the neturality of thie articles, as the health concerns over the producate are being whitewashed Brandon Rochelle (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Brandon Rochelle (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a health book. 67.164.109.70 (talk) 08:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Other discontinued flavors

I remember two in particular, although I would need their exact names before I could add them. One was called "Wild" something-or-other; it was blue and white inside with white icing and white sprinkles that turned colors (or had white icing on them that melted off) when you toasted them. The third flavor was Batman themed and had Batman logo sprinkles on it. They both came out around the late '90s or so. I don't remember what "real" flavors (if any) either of them were meant to be. Octan (talk) 04:15, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

• Also, I sort of remember (back when there were 13 flavors, circa mid-1990s) there being a flavor called "Milk Chocolate", or something like that. Does this ring any bells for anyone? As for your comment, Octan, I do remember a few special edition flavors similar to what you have described. Hans404 (talk) 04:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

• I remember the Batman promotion. There were three flavors in that batch. Batman & Robin something, Mr. Freeze something, and Batgirl something. I don't remember what flavors they were based on, only that we kept seeing the humor in "Batgirl flavored Pop-Tarts" whenever we passed them while shopping. Angel the Techrat (talk) 04:05, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

• Why is Dutch Apple listed under the current frosted flavors? Frosted Dutch Apple was discontinued at least 20 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mobycat (talk • contribs) 21:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• Blueberry Muffin is discontinued now.184.18.49.229 (talk) 15:16, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

• Apple Strudel seems to have disappeared from stores and the pop-tarts website. jerks. 72.70.131.56 (talk) 02:54, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• When I was younger, there was another flavor of Pop Tarts that is not on the "Discontinued" list......"Chocolate Peppermint". It was a chocolate pop tart with a pink peppermint (candy-cane) flavored filling. Those were my favorites and I wished they never discontinued them. they should bring it back. Bob41862 (talk) 04:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

pop tarts In general

YUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.201.66 (talk) 13:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

And let's not forget Star Wars Lava Berry The Torchbearer (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

History

I rewrote the combined the second and third paragraph of the history section and rewrote them somewhat because I thought maybe it followed the source too closely.--RainbowWerewolf (talk) 15:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Spanish version of this article

I'm working on a translation for this article. It's also my first contribution. Help would be appreciated with the formatting. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop-Tarts Rafaelrivera72 (talk) 03:56, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Does it count as a pie?

In some articles about American pies (pecan pie, banana cream pie) Pop-Tarts are included in the American pie template at the bottom of the page. In the US are Pop-Tarts considered a pie? In Canada they are more like a pastry or a breakfast food. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.137.27 (talk) 01:06, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

No, it is not a pie in the US- I am an American and I have lived here in the US my whole life. It's not another planet here, I am guessing an apple is still a fruit in Canada, right? 173.59.249.85 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC).

Exactly what I came here to find out. I noticed it in the list of pies at the bottom of the apple pie page and came here to find out how on earth a Pop-Tart is a pie. I've just had a look at the catergory:American Pies page and it's not listed there, as far as I can tell from the history it never was either, and this article doesn't include it in the catergory so I'm not sure how or why it's showing up in the box but it seems likely it's a mistake. Danikat (talk) 21:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Add Pumpkin Pie Flavor

I am eating a Pumpkin Pie flavored PopTart as I type this. Whoever has the authority to unlock, please add this as a seasonal flavor. I find it funny that this PopTarts article is under lock and key like it is so important lmao! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.59.249.85 (talk) 17:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It's not so much about being important, it's what people choose to vandalise and, hey, Wiki vandals are weird people. The Spoon article also gets a lot of trouble. Danikat (talk) 22:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

nutritional value

Pop-Tarts look extremely sugary, still I regret they're not available here. I'd love to see the nutrition facts. Perhaps someone has a packaging within reach. -- Gohnarch^░ 22:36, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

• Pop-Tarts of every flavor have different nutrition facts. Pastries are usually around 200 calories each. However, there are high-fiber, whole grain versions of Pop-Tarts, reduced-fat versions, reduced-sugar versions, unfrosted flavors...many variations exist. This article MAY be improved with a general calorie count, but there are too many variations in specific nutrients. For nutritional information for specific flavors (and info on vitamins and minerals, ingredients, etc.) visit the Pop-Tarts wiki, poptarts.wikia.com. Or you could just go to the Kellogg's website. The Pop-Tarts wiki is under construction as a comprehensive online encyclopedia on all things Pop-Tarts.WIERDGREENMAN (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Unfrosted flavors

Do the unfrosted flavors need updating? As far as I can tell from Kellogg's US, Canadian, UK and Irish websites, there are currently only three unfrosted flavors available: Strawberry, Blueberry, & Brown Sugar Cinnamon

But maybe people have seen other flavors still available in stores? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brocagh (talk • contribs) 16:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Watermelon

Is "Wild Watermelon" really still a current flavor? It's not on the web site, and I personally haven't seen them in any stores since about 1999. Unless they're only sold in certain regions or something, I'd say they should be on the discontinued list. (A pity too, they were my favorite, next to Chocolate Vanilla Cream.)

Spen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.43.205.35 (talk) 23:04, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Toaster Strudels are frozen

Am I being too picky here? The article states that Pop Tarts do not need to be refriderated as Toaster Strudel does. Toaster Strudel needs to stay frozen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.237.72.36 (talk) 15:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Pina Colada

I recently noticed that under discontinued flavors, "Pina Colada" was listed. Curious, I emailed Kellogs & they claimed no knowledge of such a flavor. I removed the questionable flavor, unless somebody can provide evidence that Pina Colada Pop-Tarts did at one point exist officially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mushroomer (talk • contribs) 05:50, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 August 2012

Add "Chocolate Peppermint" to the Discontinued Pop Tarts list Bob41862 (talk) 04:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done - A quick google search and I was able to find this: http://www.retroist.com/2011/12/23/chocolate-peppermint-pop-tarts/ Thanks, Carmichael [TALK] | [CONTRIBS] 05:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) A Google search using the words pop-tarts Chocolate Peppermint yields this blog and also a Chocolate Peppermint Pop Tart Ad on Flickr
SBaker43 (talk) 06:28, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Are you suggesting this flavor is in fact still around or saying that it was never real in the first place? I've reverted myself on this. Please advise. Thanks, Carmichael [TALK] | [CONTRIBS] 07:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse or cast doubt on your closure. I intended the "Edit conflict" to communicate that you and I were editing at the same time; not that I disagreed with you. I would have been direct with supporting evidence if I found anything to indicate that you were wrong.
I pursued the same 'fact checking' path that I think you did a little after you. I went to Flickr from the retroist blog we both found. I got a edit conflict from the server when doing my update and chose to then add my statement after your closure to document the Flickr source.
The Flickr entry seems to help validate the authenticity of the ad pictured in the blog. At one point I wondered if Chocolate Mint (already on the list) was the same as Chocolate Peppermint but I believe the Chocolate Mint was a later product. I couldn't find either on the current Poptarts web site. I believe your original decision to add Chocolate Peppermint was correct. Again, my apologies for any confusion and the unintended consequences.
SBaker43 (talk) 08:06, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh no worries! The image and post seemed valid to me as well. Thanks for clarifying! I'll add it back. Thanks again, Carmichael [TALK] | [CONTRIBS] 08:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

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