Talk:Pōmare II

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Question regarding date of death

Some other sources, like this one:

http://www.janesoceania.com/tahiti_royals/index2.htm

give his date of death as 1824 - do we have a reliable source?

Pōmare II in Turnbull

Turnbull: "A Voyage Round the World: In the Years 1800..." gives his name during the regency of Pōmare I ("Pomarre") as "Otoo" (O Tū); as this was also used for P. I it might be that "Pōmare II" was not adopted until his father's death. Turnbull gives also some details on the king's emerging alcoholism, etc. Dysmorodrepanis 11:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing dates - when exactly was he king?

The article is confusing when it comes to the years of his regency. I admit I am very confused, and I can't be the only one. In one version, he was king from 1815 until 1821 (though his predecessor became king in 1820). In another version, he was king from 1782 until 1803, despite the facts that 1) his father was king until 1791 and 2) his father installed him as king in 1791. I also says he was "under regency from 1782 until 1803". Perhaps his father abdicated as king/monarch in his favor, and then remained regent (not monarch, but regent) during his minority. But under which years? Can any one clarify this? Is is really extremely confusing. Perhaps the dates is simply not known, but if so, that should also be stated in the article so that readers does not think the article is messy and untrustworthy. --Aciram (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Let me explain. Tahitian history can be confusing. Traditionally it seems fathers abdicate to their sons because of children have higher rank than parents. Pomare I was the last do this in 1782 when his son was born.hh From that point onward he was regent for his son, but he was still a de facto monarch. The 1791 date wad his installation ceremony and is sometimes stated as the date of abdication in some sources.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I need to go back to the source. What is confusing is it that he may have abdicated his title over Arue to his son in 1782, but Tahiti as a political entity did not exist till 1788 when Pomare defeated many of his rival. The difficulty with these reigns and dates and titles is that Tahiti as a united kingdom was a political fiction at the time forced on the natives by strong men alligned with Western powers. Even though Pomare I was able to coerce most of the chiefs to submit to him in 1788; a truly united Tahitit didnt exist till aftet Fei Pi in 1815.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

https://www.sea.edu/spice_atlas/tahiti_atlas/early_missionaries_in_tahiti

Specific

Filihia, Meredith (December 1996). "'Oro-Dedicated "Maro 'Ura" in Tahiti: Their Rise and Decline in the Early Post-European Contact Period". The Journal of Pacific History. 31 (2). Canberra: Australian National University: 127–143. doi:10.1080/00223349608572814. JSTOR 25169296. OCLC 4655148946. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Gunson, Niel (December 1997). "Great Families of Polynesia: Inter-Island Links and Marriage Patterns". The Journal of Pacific History. 32 (2). Canberra: Australian National University: 139–152, 179. doi:10.1080/00223349708572835. JSTOR 25169333. OCLC 5543854802. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Gunson, Niel (March 1964). "Great Women and Friendship Contract Rites in Pre-Christian Tahiti". The Journal of the Polynesian Society. 73 (1). Wellington: The Polynesian Society: 53–69. JSTOR 20704150. OCLC 5544738069. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Gunson, Niel (1979). "The Hau Concept of Leadership in Western Polynesia". The Journal of Pacific History. 14 (1). Canberra: Australian National University: 28–49. doi:10.1080/00223347908572363. JSTOR 25168357. OCLC 4655137399. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Henry, Teuira (March 1911). "More on the Ari'is of Tahiti". The Journal of the Polynesian Society. 20 (1). Wellington: The Polynesian Society: 4–9. JSTOR 20700929. OCLC 5544733781. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

"Corrections: More on the Ari'is of Tahiti". The Journal of the Polynesian Society. 20 (3). Wellington: The Polynesian Society: 162. September 1911. JSTOR 20700957. OCLC 5544733530. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Henry, Teuira (December 1897). "A War Song of the Oropaa Clan of Tahiti, Dictated to John Brander and S. Percy Smith". The Journal of the Polynesian Society. 6 (4). Wellington: The Polynesian Society: 211–212. JSTOR 20701477. OCLC 6015485190. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Langdon, Robert (January 1966). "The Lost Treasure of Afareaitu". The Journal of Pacific History. 1. Canberra: Australian National University: 227–231. doi:10.1080/00223346608572094. JSTOR 25167878. OCLC 4655130072. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
Nicole, Jacques (April 1987). "Manuscript XIX: The First Missionary Text in a Polynesian Language". The Journal of Pacific History. 22 (2). Canberra: Australian National University: 94–101. doi:10.1080/00223348708572555. JSTOR 25168921. OCLC 5543898839. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

General

Newell, Jennifer (2010). Trading Nature: Tahitians, Europeans, and Ecological Exchange. Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press. ISBN 978-0-8248-3281-0. OCLC 663886234. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
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