Talk:Polypropylene/Archive 1

Archive 1

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The melting point is : ~ 165°C Glass transition is : ~ -12°C

Regards Gwizi

First of all, I wrote the relevant transition temperatures in Kelvin (more scientific). Precision to more than one K is not necessary. Or better, it is plainly wrong. Polymers, unlike small molecules, lack sharp transitions. And, are there any sources on the melting point? 173 Celsius seems a bit too much, I think it is closer to 160 Celsius.Ossoduro 22:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Solvents

Does anyone know what solvents one can use safely while using polypropene tubes? I have read somewhere that one can use methanol.--Hannu 08:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Depends what you mean by "use safely" - do you mean "safe" in the sense of non-harmful to the user, or "safe" in the sense of non-aggressive to polypropylene? If its the latter, then methanol would certainly not attack PP. StanPomeray (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Goofy sentences

The first section has some really confusing remarks in it such as this one: "Although it is less tough then HDPE and flexible than LDPE, it is much brittle than HDPE" I'm not sure off the top of my head but it seems to me like this was supposed to say, "Although it is not as tough as HDPE and not as flexible as LDPE, it is much less brittle than HDPE." Anyone care to clean up this sentence? I think maybee it needs more than just adding in some missing words though, I think it needs to be split up into three complete and seperate ideas.

The end of the section following MFI is fairly meaningless also. I'll try and peice it all together as soon as possible, but in the meentime any comments would be greatly appreciated. CoolMike 06:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

"Although it is not as tough as HDPE ... it is much less brittle than HDPE." does not make sense, as "tough" is the opposite of "brittle" - perhaps "stiff" is the right word (since the Young's modulus is mentioned earlier in the article)? I would change the sentence to "Although it is not as stiff as HDPE and not as flexible as LDPE, it is much less brittle than HDPE." Gingekerr (talk) 13:12, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Oxidized polypropylene

1) The following external link was added to the article:

Thermoelectric Superconductivity (1997), high electrical conductivity of oxidized polypropylene and its prospective use in thermoelectric devices

2) Later, anon 81.178.78.221 added the following comment:

"(Very speculative/ an interesting but unreliable source)"

About the comment "unreliable source", it should be noted that the author of the above article (see link) is an old Ph.D., physics & electrical eng. (1953-54) of ancient Trinity, Cambridge, having a vast puslished number of peer-reviewed papers and physics books.

3) Later, editor ChemGardener removed the link with the comment:

"remove external spam link and irrelevant link"

Well, I think we should give the opportunity to each reader having expertise on this field to be the judge of the validity of the theoretical research presented through the above link. Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.58.99.84 (talk) 19:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

Please help: electrical conductivity of polypropylene

Please tell me the figure of the electrical conductivity of polypropylene.

Thank you,

kl

Polypropylene has a very low conductivity. I don't have an actual figure for it, but resistivity (SDR) at 25°C is around the 10^15 ohm.cm mark. StanPomeray (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

It is possible to buy polypropylene modification with high electrical conductivity: electrical conductive polypropylene — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.73.150.212 (talk) 11:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

There exist polypropylene capacitors, by the way. The Types_of_capacitor page claims that polypropylene capacitors are low-loss, high-voltage and resistant to breakdown.192.139.122.42 (talk) 22:08, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Discussion of merger of PP-R into Polypropylene

See Talk:PP-R. H Padleckas 06:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Merged PP-R into Polypropylene. The single reference in the PP-R article was irrelevant, and was deleted.Chimpex 01:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Practical applications cleanup and expansion

I fixed some confusing grammar in the section on practical applications Also I just measured the melting temp of a dupont extrusion grade PP to be 163 deg C and Tg to be -11 deg C using DSC for a lab class. It is essential to recognized the variablity of these values I only tested one grade from one batch... another may be +- 5 deg.

Stationary folders or stationery folders?

In the Paka thama section, reference to "stationary folders" suggests folders that do not move, whereas "stationery folders" would have something to do with writing materials. Looks like a typo to me, but I'm not in plastics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morenus (talk • contribs) 15:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Health / leaching

What are the health effects--i.e. is there leaching of any organic compounds (including additives) when this material is used for applications that hold hot beverages? Badagnani (talk) 16:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

There shouldn't be any leaching into hot beverages. PP used for the construction of items such as cups would not contain any plasticisers, and although there may be some antioxidant added, if its soluble in PP then its likely to be insoluble in water - PP is highly non-polar, water is highly polar. StanPomeray (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Use for irrigation pipe

The section on Practical Applications could include the widespread use of flexible polypropylene pipe for agricultural irrigation piping. In arid countries such as Australia, black "poly pipe" is seen snaking across the landscape in many parts of the outback, preferred over other polymers because it is relatively unaffected by ultraviolet radiation. It has been used since the 1960s to supply stock watering points, and has greatly extended the carrying capacity of many grazing farms. Peter Bell (talk) 09:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

PP adhesive

i need to know is there any adhesive that works well on PP?? i mixed poly styrene with solvent and it can be used as adhesive for polystyrene material, but i can't find the right solvent for polypropylene.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ithankyou (talk • contribs) 05:42, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Try the reference desk --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 08:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this page says that 2-part epoxies work with polypropylene but they don't. The only adhesive I've found that works with this plastic is 3M(TM)Scotch-Weld(TM)Structural Plastic Adhesive DP8005.Warturo64 (talk) 04:49, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

History

There seems to be a either a conflict of timeline or lack of information regarding the history section. Apparently, [1] developed a crystalline form of PP in 1951, 3 years before Natta. Please look into the matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.113.94.133 (talk • contribs)

It seems the error lies in the fact that while PP was "in essence" developed by Mr. Banks, it was Natta who discovered process of polymerizing Isotactic PP. here is the reference for the information: [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.113.94.142 (talk) 18:49, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps include a discussion of the discovery of Banks/Hogan (which predates that of Ziegler/Natta) in addition to any relevant extensions of the science/technology contributed by Ziegler and Natta. In addition, the 30-year history of patent litigation is interesting and possibly relevant here. See [3]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.46.104.12 (talk) 16:08, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Food contact availability

How it is with food contact availability? Does products made from PP require FDA (or any other) certificate/approval? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bexsro (talk • contribs) 15:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. All food grade containers require FDA approval and must meet their stringent requirements on a variety of things. There are also additional certifications that can be done at the manufacturers request by other independent organizations.User7984 (talk) 21:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Health / Leaching section needed in the main article

This is the most salient info for most people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.95.202 (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Vinyl?

The article reads "Like most other vinyl polymers...", which would seem to imply PP is a vinyl polymer. I'm not an expert, but PP has a methyl group (CH₃) where per vinyl, vinyl has a CH₂, so it would seem that PP is not vinyl, no? 99.244.184.166 (talk) 09:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Vinyl is -CH=CH2, so polypropylene, which is based on propylene CH3-CH=CH2, would be classified as a vinyl polymer. StanPomeray (talk) 09:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Tactile properties

Polypropylene is favoured for children's toys and anecdotally (but am sure there are research references!) is liked by some autistic-spectrum individuals on the basis of its soothing waxy feel. Some mention should be made of tactile aspects. 88.211.22.194 (talk) 09:34, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Need a high quality reference to insert something like that. Its pretty innocuous stuff, not to mention quite insoluble. One should be wary of chemophobia.--Smokefoot (talk) 13:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

PP-R

PP-R redirects to this article. What does it mean and what makes the significance to differentiate between PP and PP-R? Thanks, --Abdull (talk) 17:31, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

This should be included in the recycling section.

http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/plastic-to-oil-fantastic/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.129.133 (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Sales revenues for 2019

I'm not sure how we can quote sales revenues for 2019. Is this 2009?JSR (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Where the article reads: "MFI (Melt Flow Index) identifies the flow speed of the raw material in the process. It helps to fill the plastic mold during the production process. The higher MFI increases, the weaker the raw material gets." Perhaps it should read "MFI (Melt Flow Index) identifies the flow speed of the raw material in a stadard test; the MFI is an indicator of the effectiveness with which the raw material will fill a mould. Higher values of MFI indicate quicker mold filling but are generally associated with a weaker final product." This sentence needs to be rewritten "It also has Copolymer and Random Copolymer. Copolymer helps stiffness of the PP (Polypropylene). Random Copolymer helps transparent look." Instead of "Copolymer is more expensive than Homopolypropylene. Random Copolymer is even higher than copolymer PP." consider "Currently the Copolymer form is more expensive than the Homopolypropylene form with the random Copolymer form being the most expensive." - well something like that.

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Noteworthiness of PP use for model aircraft?

This somehow doesn't seem important. This section may have been contributed by a model airplane fanatic who became excited by some new polypropylene parts, and chose the polypropylene Wikipedia page as the means to share that enthusiasm with the world. What volume of the global PP production goes to model airplanes? 192.139.122.42 (talk) 22:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Clarification of wording needed

The article includes the sentence "At elevated temperature, PP can be solved in of low polarity solvents (e.g. xylene, tetralin and decalin)." "Solved in of low polarity solvents" may mean something, but I'm not sure what. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.152.195 (talk) 23:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Cosmetic surgery usage

I'm not well versed enough on the subject to expand the article to a satisfactory standard, but I understand that polypropylene was at one time used in cosmetic surgery, specifically in breast augmentation procedures. Again, my knowledge is limited but as I understand it, the implant swells over time, creating a constant gradual and ostensibly unlimited expansion of the breasts. Perhaps another user who knows more about the subject could add a section covering it? 92.238.238.62 (talk) 20:50, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Transvaginal Mesh

Is the transvaginal mesh one of the most critical applications of polypropylene? The first cited addition smacks of a subtle attempt at vandalism.

It is used. The medical condition is a kind of prolapse, vaguely related to hernia, if I'm not mistaken. (update) I added it to the "medical" sub-section, where it fits well at the beginning of a squib about recalls of these transvaginal mesh devices. Apparently polypropylene meshes are commonly used as hernia repairs and seem to work better than duct tape for the purpose. In any case, it fits well in that sub-section. Unitacx (talk) 17:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

3D model

Hi guys

I found a 3D model on the Polypropylene structure. The only problem is that I don't have the knowledge nor experience how to put it in the chem box. Here's the link: http://www.pslc.ws/modelhtms/pppdb.htm Also, this link isn't the fullscreen version of the structure.

If somebody could put it in, would be great!

Kind regards Liam G. TheLurm (talk) 17:20, 25 January 2018 (UTC)