Talk:Polish people/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Requested move 2 February 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Clear consensus to move this and redirect the current title to Pole. I will correct the incoming links shortly. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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Poles → Polish people – I have been thinking about this for years, and I just don't see how there can be a primary topic for "Poles" when the common noun "pole" has such an array of meanings (note that "Poles" referring to Polish people is also a plural noun, an individual Polish person being a "Pole", and if they come from one of the extreme ends of the country, a "North Pole" or "South Pole"). There has recently been news coverage of the magnetic poles shifting, and imagery of poles on other planets, and a steady increase in the popularity of pole dancing. With 32,000 views per day going to the collection of articles at Pole, the thousand-per-day or so going to this title clearly falls short of primacy for the name. Move this article, merge Poles (disambiguation) into Pole, and redirect this title there as well. BD2412 T 21:24, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support - convincing statement - GizzyCatBella🍁 04:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support ambiguous. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:03, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom, move and DABMERGE as per OP.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Poles (people) or similar could also be used if we want to keep the same name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:13, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support Rreagan007 (talk) 18:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom, and the DABMERGE as well. Clearly ambiguous, with the many uses of poles. You can even find people on the internet referring to "opinion poles" and "election poles" which, though wrong, shows the ambiguity in the way the word is pronounced.--CNMall41 (talk) 08:41, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nomination; GizzyCatBella; In ictu oculi; Ortizesp; Crouch, Swale; Rreagan007 and CNMall41. This article was created in July 2003 and has had its main title header moved between Poles and Polish people a number of times, starting in January 2006. Ultimately, it depends upon which form is a more natural linguistic fit — some headers use the forms Austrians, Estonians, Hungarians, etc while other headers use the forms British people, French people, Dutch people, etc. In the case at hand, Polish people is a more intuitive fit than Poles. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:28, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
• I kinda wish you'd spoken sooner, bro! Support, of course Red Slash 17:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment After the move, Poles will be a redirect to a dab. It has 8,284 incoming links (including 1,623 direct), most of which will need changing to Polish people but some of which may have better targets such as geographical pole. I don't see that as a valid reason to oppose the move, but we may need to prepare to deal with its fallout. I've notified WT:WPDIS. Certes (talk) 12:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
  • @Certes: I have been working through these. How many direct links in mainspace are there now? I expect most of those are from templates that can be fixed quickly after the move. BD2412 T 19:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

    Amazingly, just the {{main}} hatnote in Poland#Demographics. Certes (talk) 23:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Polish people instead of Poles?

I'm not sure why "British people," "French people," "Dutch people" were used as examples. There are no formal nouns for representatives of these nations, "Brits" is colloquial, as is "Frenchies" and so on. Poles, on the other hand, is a perfectly fine noun. There's also no confusion because there's no other article referring to "Poles." Magnetic pole - OK. South Pole - OK. But not "Poles." This move was nonsensical, forced through by a couple users in a hurried mood, and should be reversed IMO. Malecide (talk) 04:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)