Talk:Polish–Soviet border agreement of August 1945

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Can we simplify the name? Perhaps Polish-Soviet border agreement of 1945 would be enough? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What about Przemysl

That too was passed on the same treaty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.165.80.196 (talk) 00:50, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some reading into the area, and re-written the article, I will add further information about East Prussia, Suwalki and Lithuania in due course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.165.80.196 (talk) 12:45, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rename?

Per WP:MOS, would the more correct name be [1945] Polish-Soviet border treaty? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.170.84.179 (talk) 15:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The main difference between "treaty" and "international agreement" is that agreement does not require ratification by a legislative body such as Senate (or Sejm in Polish) consisting of elected officials. This was an "agreement" by all means. The name however, could also be made a bit shorter, for example: "Polish-Soviet border agreement of August 1945". Poeticbent talk 16:22, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please do not change the content of this article without consensus. There are basic policy/guidelines which need to be considered here, including WP:NEUTRALITY, WP:COATRACK and most certainly WP:RS. Each new paragraph needs to be confirmed with relevant material at least once, or more. April 2013 paste-up jobs lack attribution. All this needs to be discussed. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 17:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well I think a revert is a bit cruel given the effort I put in into making this section, considering the frustration you yourself have shared about Krakow on your user-page. Though I shall not challenge your action, I would however like to discuss the subject with you, if of course, you are open to such an approach. Regarding neutrality, I would like to tell you that all of the material I have added came from existing wikipedia articles. Thus the NPOV of the removed passage is only judged by the NPOV issues of other articles, if such are present (though I am aware that the NPOV of this particular topic has been a tug-of-war in the past).

Anyhow, back to the point, the issue of Poland's eastern border has been covered at length by multiple articles in wikipedia. However, the actual topic as why did the USSR cede Podlachia remains unanswered. I simply gave the reader background knowledge of several historical events that led up to the treaty, which in my opinion may have influenced the decision. That it was a show of generosity by Stalin, that it would reflect the real ethnic border of Poland/Byelorussia, that it played a key role in Stalin's post-war model for Poland, that it was a political show that Stalin was loyal to Poland (after the Warsaw uprising), that it allowed to create a Polish buffer between the Red Army's front and the USSR's western border, that it solved the Suwałki triangle issue... the list goes on. Of course referencing this with one RS is next to impossible, however I would welcome if some of these issues are reflected in the article, and I am more than sure that literature reflecting some of these facts (particularly in Polish) is not going to be a problem to source. Regards.

I'm sorry this causes you discomfort, but WP:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Copy-pasting within Wikipedia without third-party WP:reliable sources is against policy. All new information... and its validity (or lack of thereof), needs to be established every time. WP:Neutrality is a major issue here. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 17:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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