Talk:Polish–Czechoslovak border conflicts/Archive 1

Archive 1

Poland occupied?! Hm, i thought the "occupied" was made by local population, not by forces from elsewhere. Czechoslovakia protested IIRC elections in Zaolzie region... Szopen 09:05, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am not sure if I understand you - could you expand? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:56, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Klodzko and Racibórz territories?

Any chance to get info on these? Czechoslovakia attempted to swap Klodzko area for other one with post-WWI Germany (for strategic reasons). The only part of Prussia they grabbed after WWI was area around Hlučín. I am not aware of disputes after WWII. Pavel Vozenilek 19:57, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

To answer myself, I found information in Czech about it. The disputes existed and included Czechoslovakian army moving into Racibórz, official claims of the territory, repressions and refugees. Pavel Vozenilek 03:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Final treaty

Was the final Polish-Czechoslovak treaty signed in "1956" or on "June 13, 1958"? logologist 22:06, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

The latter, e.g. (in Czech) [1] or [2]. Second source says the border was shortened by 80 km and that it was later found Czechoslovakia gained 369 hectares of land, which Poland now tries to get back somewhere and that it drags back and forth (as of 2004) since mayors of border towns and villages are against. So it is obviously not "final" treaty yet. Pavel Vozenilek 00:40, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Railroad

Currently the article states that The only railway from Czech territory to Slovakia ran through this area, and access to the railway was critical for Czechoslovakia: the newly-formed country was at war with Béla Kun's revolutionary Hungarian Soviet Republic, which was attempting to reestablish Hungarian sovereignty over Slovakia.. This seems to be a complete nonsense. Both the 2005 and 1897 maps show, that the main railways connecting Czech territory to Slovakia ran several hundred kilometres southwards, one from Prague through Brno to Bratislava and one from Prague through Olomouc to Puchnov in Slovakia. Perhaps someone meant the shortest link from Olomouc to Cadca in Slovakia? Halibutt 13:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

You are right, it is nonsense that this was the only railroad to Slovakia. On the other hand, this was the only railroad to the eastern Slovakia. And eastern Slovakia was the area where the Hungarian bolshevik puppet state (declared in Prešov) existed.--Xixaxu 13:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Merger with Czechoslovak-Polish border dispute (1918-1947)

Yes, I entirely support merger, did not not know that this article (Border conflicts....) existed. I created CPbd 1918-1947 because a lengthy section and dispute about it was clogging up the article Spiš - the text, copyedited and with (I hope) POVs removed comes from that article. Apologies. Smerus 16:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree with merger. The question remains - which name (if any) would be the best?-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  20:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the merger. I prefer the title without dates. JanSuchy 01:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Why merge? It is about different topics one is about Czechoslovak-Polish war of 1919 and second is about dispute in Spiš and Orava regions. May be both article could have better name. --Li-sung 14:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

1919 war

The text "Czech troops entered area managed by Polish interim body on January 23. Czech troops gained the upper hand over local Polish militias. Poland could not afford to send more troops to the area, as she was fighting for survival in the Polish-Soviet War." is incorrect. The Polish-Soviet War started only in February 1919 (i.e. after the 1919 war with Czechoslovakia finished) and the "fight for survival" (I understand that this refers to the Vistula miracle) took place in 1920. Also, what "local polish militias" means? Yes, there were polish volunteers but regular polish army (commanded by Franciszek Latinik) also. Could please others comment? I intend to change the text.--Xixaxu 13:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The article has no refs and you are right this seem to be an error. I suggest moving parts of text from Zaolzie here completly, per our previous discussions.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  17:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Regular army (of worse quality, btw) appeared in the region on the last moment. Polish military was engaged in the East where it faced much larger problems. - Darwinek 19:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

As already mentioned on the Zaolzie talk page, agree with Piotrus on moving the text from Zaolzie here. However, Darwinek apparently disagrees with that so made the change here to avoid conflict.--Xixaxu 20:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes. The war in 1919, for which best Polish troops from Zaolzie were moved, was with Ukraine. The war with Soviets influenced only negotiations with Czechs, when Polish delegates were facing the wall Szopen 09:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Polish-Ukrainian War, good catch. Polish-Soviet war did not start until February 1919, but we should note that confusion on eastern front was such that Polish troops were constantly shuffled in that direction since, well, the very begining of the Polish state. Keep in mind Piłsudski's words from that time: All that we can gain in the west depends on the Entente—on the extent to which it may wish to squeeze Germany," while in the east "there are doors that open and close, and it depends on who forces them open and how far.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  18:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Czechs were stopped by allies... hmm.. Skoczowo, anyone? Szopen (talk) 07:08, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Czech units were stopped by the Polish defending forces in Skoczów but also by Allies, because they pressed on Prague to cease the armed operations. - Darwinek (talk) 12:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Haatsch?

Which power ruled over the Silesian village of Haatsch in the 1890's? Germany or Austria-Hungary? It's currently Hat' or Hat, in the Czech Republic, if I am not mistaken. The German fighter ace Paul Billik was born in Haatsch in 1891. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 10:50, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

It was a part of Germany. - Darwinek (talk) 19:45, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Chronology problem

In June 1919, however, the Poles captured again northern Spiš and in addition northern Orava. In Spiš they demanded the whole northern half of the region down to Poprad, though units were withdrawn after orders from Warsaw in January 1919.

just pointing out the problem. --Adam Zivner (talk) 07:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Border conflict

Can someone add in some background on Poland and Czech politics in 1938. Czechs were a democracy, Poland was not - can this be added into this article. Good sections on this in Richard Overy's book - the Road to War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.86.181 (talk) 08:12, 2 September 2011 (UTC)