Talk:Police tactical group

Riot/crowd control duties

PTG's are NOT used for riot/crowd control duties as one poster suggested.

Reference to the Melbourne WEF and Sydney APEC is irrelevant as neither events had PTG members performing crowd control/riot duties etc. The Victorian Special Operations Group would no-more attend a protest/crowd control situation then it would attend a motor vehicle accident etc. They do not train or equip for such duties. Crowd control and riots are dealt with (in every State) by officers trained and equipped specifically for those duties, such as the Victorian Police 'Force Response Unit' and the NSW Police 'Public Order and Riot Squad'. Both those units deal with crowd control/riots/protests etc, but neither deal with high-rish/tactical/terrorist/siege situations that PTG's deal with.

Regarding the WEF demonstrations (http://www.ombudsman.vic.gov.au/resources/documents/Investigation_of_Police_action_at_the_World_Economic_Forum_demonstrations.pdf) Not ONE refernce is made in the alleged citation to Victorias PTG, the Special Operations Group, thus validating what I have said above.

Who is the author of the above unsigned comments, please? Sorry, but your claim of validation lacks logic without a positive citation. I for one recall seeing media reports that TRG-type personnel were used during the over-the-top APEC security staging. Are these guys always required to go about with weapons in their hands, or are they sometimes deployed on other duties? If they have only a restricted role, what do they do during days and weeks in which they are not called out on 'counter-terrorist' and 'hostage-rescue' missions? And is it not the case that 'counter-terrorist' precautions were included in the APEC security response? I understood there were plenty of snipers around because of the presumed possibility of assassination attempts, bombings, etc. But I also understand that some overseas delegations preferred to rely on their own imported personnel rather than Australian police from various states. I guess there would be nothing new about that. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 06:50, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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Not quite sure what you're getting at User talk:Bjenks as it's quite simple, PTG's are not used for crowd control and were not used for crowd control during APEC. They did however provide the 'snipers' and tactical teams for high level protection etc. That fact is not in dispute above. What is (was) in dispute was someones claims that PTG's are involved in riot/crowd control when hey are not, as Police Forces have specialised units for those tasks. PTG officers from every State are easily distinguished from other specialist officers that wear overalls etc as tactical officers tend to wear black overalls, subdued low visibility markings and tactical equipment and firearms.

As for what PTG's do when not performing "hostage rescues" etc, have a look at their individuals Wiki pages. All those specialised skills require constant training and courses to be done to maintain their ability (far above those skills of elite level athletes). PTG's are the officers that deal with sieges and high risk raids/arrests you see on the news every week. Criminals tend to keep the Police busy.

Re: "I also understand that some overseas delegations preferred to rely on their own imported personnel rather than Australian police from various states." Very few of which were armed. A situation that isn't any different from any other high profile event overseas. Australia doesn't even lay its security operations entirely in the hands of a host nation.

User talk:YEPPOON added at 11:07, 30 July 2008

Thanks—seen and understood. Bjenks (talk) 14:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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