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"Influence of Polish-Georgian and Polish-Chechen relations"

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Until September, last year (2009), this article had been perfectly balanced and neutral. Come September, and it looks like this:

"The strength of Polish-Georgian relations often negatively affects relations between Poland and Russia, due to the animosity between Georgia and Russia. This was especially noticeable in the 2008 South Ossetia War, when Poland instantly backed the Georgian side and supplied technical assistance (along with Estonia)[citation needed] to Georgia when its internet system was hacked. There are many events celebrating the alliance between Georgians and Poles[citation needed], particularly when against Russians, who increasingly view this friendship with a cynical eye. This policy by Poland has a long history stretching far before the post-Soviet era (see Prometheism). Most notable is a statue in Tbilisi on November 22, 2007, celebrating the "contribution of Poles to the independence of Georgia and other states from the Soviet Union".[citation needed] Needless to say, Russians do not look upon this positively.

"Poland has also sporadically provided assistance to the Chechen separatists. Despite the fact that Poland has never formally recognized Chechen independence, it has had informal relations many times, and currently has a diplomacy with Achmed Zakayev's government-in-exile, which also has a number of branches in Poland, despite being mainly based in the United Kingdom. Additionally, during the First Chechen War, many Poles volunteered to fight on the Chechen side. The positive attitude of Poland and Poles to Ichkeria and Chechens is largely parallel to the policy regarding Georgia, and looked upon even more negatively by the Russian side, which possibly correctly views it as an attempt to weaken Russia and a continuation of Prometheism."


Frankly, the tone of this section is not very neutral. Phrases loaded with accusation such as "Poland instantly backed" "Needless to say, Russians do not look upon this positively" and "possibly correctly views it as an attempt to weaken Russia and a continuation of Prometheism", come to mind.

So, unless any neutral (reliable Russian and Polish sources supplemented by non-Russian and non-Polish sources would do the trick I think) can be uncovered, I have removed this section out of respect to the neutrality policy of this site. In its place, I have incorporated some of its points into the rest of the article.Idris Pukke (talk) 01:44, 26 January 2010 (UTC) Idris Pukke[reply]

Merge discussion

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I propose that Russian influence operations in Poland be merged into this article. The article as it was created was very much a coatrack, and details essentially belong in this article, where they can be covered in an NPOV way. If no objections, I will do the merge myself. --Russavia I'm chanting as we speak 01:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the Katyn massacre, of 20,000 Polish officers

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  • False number - the total number of victims was higher and the number of murdered officers was lower.
  • lasting repercussions on the Polish–Russian relations - the subject should be described in a recent section. At least subsequent sections of Katyń crime should be quoted here.Xx236 (talk) 10:09, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Local Border Traffic Kaliningrad-East-Northern Poland

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http://www.msz.gov.pl/en/news/100_000_local_border_traffic_permits_in_kaliningrad___mfa_bolsters_ties_and_supports_polish_economy Xx236 (talk) 10:21, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Poland-Russia Group regarding Difficult Questions

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"It is thought if the inquiry into the crash is not transparent..."

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With reference to the 2010 air crash over Smolensk, Russia, that killed the incumbent Polish president and others. The article on said crash suggests that the investigation has been concluded; should this be updated? User:Makatriel (talk) 23:43, 25 September 2014 (UTC) Makatriel[reply]

Only negative aspects of relations are covered

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Historically there were many events of friendship and fascination by each other's cultures in both Poland and Russia. The current article focuses only on negative aspects,without mentioning anything positive about these relations or past examples were Poles and Russians were friendly to each other.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:54, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Sadly, people too often prefer to write about negative topics. Where are the Russophiles when we need them? Would be good to see this expanded with topics of Polish-Russian cooperation. Like, hmmm. Polish Army in the East, I guess? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:34, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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See also - style

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Editors should provide a brief annotation when a link's relevance is not immediately apparent, when the meaning of the term may not be generally known, or when the term is ambiguous. - would you be so kind Crossswords to obey?
One may take any two countries and claim their relations are similar. Xx236 (talk) 11:53, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Soviet Union

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I think that could be split into another article.--87.92.119.10 (talk) 08:32, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The leader of the Skrepa-nation said that the Soviet Union was another name for the Russia. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the long run, yes, the topic is notable, but the current section is not so long this is a priority. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:23, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Borderlands?

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The article leading section talks about borderlands laying territorial claims against countries between Russia and Poland. How appropriate is that? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:57, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Grigoryev, I don't see what's not neutral here. Poland and Russia fought over the borderlands, that's a fact and hardly controversial. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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