Talk:Point and Shoot (Better Call Saul)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 03:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Nomination issues remain unresolved; the nominator has not edited the article or has responded here despite a talk page message.

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• ... that actor Bob Odenkirk suffered a heart attack after shooting for 12 hours on "Point and Shoot"? Source: https://ew.com/tv/bob-odenkirk-collapsed-rushed-hospital/
  • ALT1: ... that actor Bob Odenkirk suffered a heart attack after a 12-hour shooting session for "Point and Shoot"? Source: https://ew.com/tv/bob-odenkirk-collapsed-rushed-hospital/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William_Hatfield_(sailor)

5x expanded by FishandChipper (talk). Self-nominated at 09:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC).

• The QPQ was properly completed and this article has been expanded sufficiently, with an appropriate size. However, the Copyvio score shows overquoting from The Hollywood Reporter, you need to remove or replace the Evening Standard per WP:RSP and the source cited here does not mention him having a heart attack after 12 hours. Once these issues are resolved, this should be good to go I think! K. Peake 06:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

I removed the Evening Standard but I believe The Hollywood Reporter source does indeed say that it was after filming for 12 hours he had the heart attack, quote: "Banks jumped in to declare, “Bobby was dead. Three times with the [defibrillator] paddles,” as Seehorn explained the moment from her view, when she and Fabian were 12 hours into filming with Odenkirk." Also how exactly do you think the overquoting should be resolved? This is my first nomination so I'm kinda new to this.FishandChipper 🐟🍟 09:56, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

FishandChipper The remaining issue is in the article itself and that can be fixed by putting parts of the quote(s) into your own words; sorry for the late response, I have been busy elsewhere on this site! K. Peake 11:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

@FishandChipper: no move has been made to address the copyvio issue – i'm going to say that if it's not resolved within a week, the nomination should be marked for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 19:12, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

theleekycauldron Sorry I've been really busy irl recently so I haven't gotten around to it but I'll try do it on the weekend.FishandChipper 🐟🍟 19:15, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

@FishandChipper: Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

issue remains unresolved – probably time to close this one. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:29, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 21:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Just a handful of copy changes. 7-day hold to A person in Georgia and FishandChipper. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Made the changes Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 18:58, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Ping me next time so I see this sooner. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Copy changes

Plot

• Add a comma after "NAMAST3" to complete the appositive Y
• Remove comma after "Gus Fring", after "any involvement", and after "meth lab" Y

Production

• Dalton had been aware prior to the filming of the sixth season that his character would have an early exit, but only The sentence is long enough that instead of removing the comma, add "he" after "but" Y
• who "wanted to hear it, so their hate could be justified." AND and "accentuate the things that I think you guys and gals were trying to achieve in the writers' room and the way the characters have been played." MOS:INOROUT period after quotation mark for a sentence fragment Y
• Add comma after Chris McCalebY

Reception

• More INOROUT issues:
  • as a "masterclass moment for the series in general and Odenkirk as an actor in particular." Y
  • the episode "pulses with nocturnal suspense, your reward after several hours of carefully constructed plot." Y
  • felt was "more a sign of narrative convenience than planning." Y
  • despite its flaws, "some damn good, well-made television with mesmerizing acting across the board." Y
  • because "we can't really be sure which of these drug lords is the hero and which is the villain, and the speech itself is just a stalling tactic." Y
  • that Better Call Saul had "completed its transformation into one of the most riveting – and bleakest – dramas of the streaming age." Y

Sourcing and spot checks

Earwig mostly catches quotes, especially the Jimmy "lizard brain" quote, which are justifiably used.

Five sources were selected for spot checks:

• 1: ...Years before Lalo Salamanca became a threatening villain on Better Call Saul, the character was referenced in a throwaway line of dialogue in the early Breaking Bad episode, "Better Call Saul." That episode features a scene where Walt and Jesse intimidate Saul Goodman by kidnapping him and holding him at gunpoint in the desert. Pleading for his life, Saul exclaims, "It wasn't me! It was Ignacio, he's the one!" Y
• 4: Franich review with A grade mentions Smith and Banks Y
• 9: Variety piece includes details of Odenkirk's heart attack and revival. Y
• 29: "Stalling tactic" quote and praise for Dalton in the Hogan review. Y
• 31: Consequence review: masterclass moment for the series in general and Odenkirk as an actor in particular Y

Other items

• References are archived.
• There are four images. Two are libre licensed images with appropriate tags. One is the episode cover art with NFUR. One is also a non-free image, the overhead crane comparison shot. This is discussed at length in the associated prose, which meets the NFUR requirement that such an image be used for identification of and critical commentary on the television program and its contents. I added the missing "refer to caption" alt text for this image; the others all have it.

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