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Question to ps2 freaks

Does the PS2 support 5.1 Surround Sound in DVD movies? And will a PS2 purchased in one region play DVDs from another? If not, what does it take to make it play? A modchip? --Idleguy 06:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes (needs a certain cable). No. - . For Example --84.184.88.31 21:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

You can use a ps2 as a universal dvd player if you buy an Action Replay Max, no hardware modifying necessary. I own one but havent tested the feature yet. Mr toasty 03:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Immersion Lawsuit

Sony is appealing for the third (and final time) at this point and it seems they will lose again. Consequences (such as ps2 hardware and software being pulled from stores in US) notwithstanding, does anyone want to add a section mentioning the suit? This issue seems to get little to no coverage despite it's importance. Tani unit 05:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Top-Selling game

The Top-Selling game was not Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec. The Top-Selling game will be Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City. Gran Turismo 3 only has 150 cars. In Gran Turismo 4, they have over 600 cars. I'll say that Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City will be the Top-Selling game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.42.61.61 (talk • contribs) .

The real top-selling game

i went to sony's official website, and looked under top selling games. kingdom hearts 2 is without a doubt the topseller because it is ranked #1 on the list. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbonox-infernox (talk • contribs) .

Please, give us the link. It is possible you saw the 2005 best selling game only. -- ReyBrujo 04:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

okay you want a link? well here it is http://www.us.playstation.com/GM just copy and paste it on your web browser. when you get to the page, look for a collumb on the right that says top selling games. kingdom hearts 2 is on the top of the list. this is straight from the official site for sony, so i don't want to see someone changing the top selling game because this is solid proof. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbonox-infernox (talk • contribs) .

Have you noticed that in no place it is stated they are the top 10 best selling games? Those are currently the "hottest" games, but that doesn't mean they are sorted by amount of sold games. -- ReyBrujo 03:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

oh my god seriously. do you have any idea how they do sort out the hottest games? they call them the hottest games because they are the ones that sell the most, meaning they are the most popular games, which is the same thing as hottest games. and well since they are the top sellers that means they are the top games. obviously, they all mean the same thing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbonox-infernox (talk• contribs) .

Hottest game means it is currently selling the most, not that they are the best selling of all times. Don't you find it curious that, curiously, 7 of those 10 games have been released in 2006? Just curious, do you think a game could break all record sales of a 6 year old console with over 5,000 titles selling only for 3 months in Japan and USA, without having been released in Europe? That is pretty hard, you know :-) -- ReyBrujo 02:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

you're really giving me a hard time about this aren't ya? i don't really care if its beating 6 year old console games because maybe those old ones just weren't that popular. theres really no way to prove what the top selling game is then if theres no list, it would all be based on opinion which would just start world war 3. so maybe this top game thing should just be changed to hottest game because thats the only one anyone can prove. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbonox-infernox (talk • contribs) .

ya know what? i'm willing to call a truce between us ok? if you can get solid proof on what the top game should be we'll leave it at that and i will create another tab on that for what the hottest game should be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbonox-infernox (talk •contribs) .

A clarification: Just add ~~~~ at the end of your posts to sign them. No need to copy the unsigned stuff, that is actually a reminder for others about who had written a comment. If you have been the one writing it, you should delete all that stuff and replace it with ~~~~. I will take myself some minutes to consider a reply, if possible finding sources to backup me. -- ReyBrujo 02:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, how about this? On May 24, 2006, Square Enix released the Financial Results for Fiscal Year Ended March 31, 2006 PDF document. This document informs that:

During this fiscal year under review, conditions in the Japanese market were generally harsh, however, such major title releases as “FINAL FANTASY XII” for PlayStation2 (2,380 thousand units in Japan as of March 31, 2006) and “Kingdom Hearts II” (1,150 thousand units in Japan and 1,260 thousand units in North America, ditto) achieved robust sales.

In other words, according to Square Enix, the company that created the game, Kingdom Hearts 2 sold "2,410 thousands" (that is, 2.4m) units as of March 31, 2006. Now, if we take a look at Take-Two Interactive Software press release on March 3, 2005 [1] (that is, released over a year before than Square Enix statement), they state that:

The Company's life to date sales of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas through the end of the first quarter have exceeded 12 million units.

Note that both are official information from game developers. I guess that makes them qualify as "solid proof". Grand Theft Autho: San Andreas sold 12m units until March 2005, while Kingdom Hearts 2 sold 2.4m until March 2006. Is that proof enough for you to probe that Kingdom Hearts 2 is not the best selling game for PlayStation 2, existing at least one title (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas) that has sold more than it? -- ReyBrujo 04:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify things on the official website for sony they stated that kingdom hearts sold 7.5 million units in just the usa. look it up on that link i gave you and click on kingdom hearts 224.15.154.181 15:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the link states The KINGDOM HEARTS series has sold over 7.5 million units worldwide. In other words, adding up Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts II. And even adding both up, they don't match Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas sales, do they? Are you convinced now that Kingdom Hearts II isn't the best selling game for PlayStation 2? -- ReyBrujo 22:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

hmm, well it looks like i'm beat... or not. lets take a look at sony shall we? assuming they know the difference between top game and hottest game, they would know what to name the list. all that matters now is the list, now wrap your mind aroud it while i say this. the name of the list, the great list of sony, is titled topgame. ya know what? so is the tab we're arguing about. because right now, nothing either of us have said matters. the only thing is sony. even if there is a difference between topgame and hottest game, then sony knows. so i suggest we should just take sony's word for it and stop poking our heads around in conflicted data. And if you don't believe me, i will send an e-mail to sony and get this straightened out, ok? i will then post the e-mail here and it will automatically end this discussion, no more arguing, because from now on, sony's word is law. either i'm wrong, you're wrong, or we're both wrong. we could argue about it for ages, or we can settle this.Carbonox-infernox 13:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Unluckily, sending a mail to Sony to get a reply is original research, and can't be accepted as reference as it lacks a reliable source (Sony is a reliable source, wikipiedian editors are not). I have given you the proofs, documentation from the game developers and links where it is stated that KH2 is not the best selling game. Must all this information be found in the Sony page so that you would consider it valid? ReyBrujo 16:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

no, thats not what its about. we just have so much conflicting data that i think instead of sticking around with the smaller companies, we should just go right to the top, because like i said, sony is the best way to go. obviously, these other companies are going to say their games are better than the rest. sony is on neither side and obviousaly they won't have conflicting data. i'm sorry but like i said, we can't base our opinions on these smaller companies. if sony said kingdom hearts 2 is the top game we should take their word for it. and yet again like i said if you still don't believe me and sony then there must be a way to settle this.Carbonox-infernox 22:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

alright since i havn't heard from you for a few weeks now i declare this disagreement settled. unless anyone else has any info they would like to argue about, stop changing the top game. i have already made my point.Carbonox-infernox 13:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I have been considering what to do. Obviously you don't believe statistics and third parties, only Sony official word. We need a consensus to settle the matter, but it is hard to come with a good idea when being so restrictive. My two solutions are either adding "Gran Turismo 3" as best selling with a {{DisputedAssertion}}, or adding two sentences stating that "Gran Turismo 3" is the best selling game, but "Kingdom Heart 2" is the hottest one. -- ReyBrujo 06:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Argh, people keep changing this. It was changed to Kingdom Hearts 2 and Gran Turismo 3 in the last 24 hours. It's actually Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, yes? Ace of Sevens 22:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Not really. Vice City is stil a few millions away. -- ReyBrujo 06:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

come on guys, it saya it right in the link. what more could you want? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.201.64.87 (talk • contribs) .

Vandlasim

Yesterday I removed the vandlasism from this talk page (see history). I don't know if any further action needs to be taken but I thought I would point it out. Oli 17:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

One wonders if you're capable of reverting such vandalism without creating too much in the process. Seriously, don't profess to be a help when you can't even spell the word. On either attempt. Deusfaux 06:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Better Grades - Need Source

The article says "Studies have shown that any student with a PlayStation console will improve grade and will help in your student success rate." Clearly this needs a direct link to proof. Very few are going to take this at face value and assume the rest of the article is false. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.146.47.90 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Page Blank??

I don't know about anyone else but all it says on the page is "PS2"

82.6.11.233 19:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Today I found that the page been blank computly so I rverted it back to normal. PS3 wins 19:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

IT'S BLANK AGAIN. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.135.21.99 (talk • contribs).

PlayStation 2 with PowerPC processor?

I have found this site, that seems to confirm that curent PS2's are using a PowerPC based processor rather than a MIPS based design: http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6350202&partner=enews&industryid=21365 (last couple of questions) should this be mentioned in the article?Golden Dragoon 16:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Thinking about it, could the slim PS2's problems playing some PS2 games come down to this? Golden Dragoon 03:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly doubt it -- I think the guy misspoke. At a point where Sony is trying to reduce the size, cost, and power dissipation of the PS2, but leave performance unchanged, I can't see any advantage to adding an emulation layer to the system. Kaleja 21:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not the EE+GS-processor that's beeing replaced, it's the I/O-processor managing the rest of the machine. Since the PowerPC 440 is a processor core for System on a Chip-designs, Sony could probably reduce the ammount of other chips on the mobo to a bare minimum. Compatability issues could probably be solved in emulation. The 440 is quite a powerful and versatile core for its size and very energy efficient. And.. Sony might have got a good deal from IBM. I would be surprised if Sony could reduce the PS2 to just three chips, the EE+GS-processor, a PowerPC 440 microcontroller and some RAM.

The current article says: "The new revision uses a integrated unified ES+GS chip and a redesigned ASIC," It would be my guess that the new ASIC is this 440 based processor. -- Henriok 18:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Isn't the I/O processor on the PS2 the origianl PS1 cpu? so it would be a MIPS chip, but I can hardly see a Power 440 being cheaper than a 12 year old (relitively) low performance MIPS cpu, though whoever designed and fabs the PS1 chip could have be screwing Sony (either by keeping the price high or through royaltys) knowing they had an almost limitless cash cow in the PS2 thus would keep buying the chips. Golden Dragoon 15:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Removing the mention of the X-Box 360?

"As of Mid 2006, the PS2 still outsells its current main competition, Xbox, GameCube and even the Xbox 360."

I don't see how this is a point of note, as the PS2 has been around for almost 6 years, while the X-Box 360 hasn't even been around for a year yet. It's the word "even" that strikes me as particularly unsuitable as it implies that the X-Box 360 should have sold more units than the PS2, when you wouldn't expect that to happen for a long time.

84.13.1.86 14:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe whats meant by that statement is that the ps2 sells more units on a monthly or weekly basis than the 360. I have no idea if thats true.

If it is, I'd suggest "As of Mid 2006, the PS2 still outsells its current main competition, the Gamecube and Xbox, as well as selling more units on a weekly basis than the Xbox 360. Mr toasty 03:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

To user 84.13.1.86, what is notable is the fact the PS2 still manages to sell so well despite being six years old, this was unheard of. By the way NPD does its sales reports on a monthly basis. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/11/report-us-july-sales-up-22-ds-and-ea-top-sellers/ Dionyseus 07:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

There is certainly no reason PS3 and Wii should be mentioned. The referenced sales figures comparing the rate of sales (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14685) are for November 2006, making a comparison unfair as both PS3 and Wii were released over half way through the month of November in the US, while PS2 has been accumulated across the month. 83.146.14.31 10:31, 8 January 2007

PS2 upgrades to PS2 HD

I got my own mini PlayStation 2 and my PlayStation 2 HD needs to be upgraded like this:

• Two disk trays
• A 600MB Memory Card
• The menu will look like Xbox 360, but even better
• No need to buy demo discs, it can deliver the demos automatically
• Will cost $443.99

Is it true or false? You decide. It's the only way to fight back Xbox 360. Best Gamer 25 July 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Best Gamer (talk • contribs) 18:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

What are you asking, exactly? Ace of Sevens 21:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Hold on. This is a very false rumor that Sony will not design this console. I'll say, wait for the PlayStation 3 to release. Best Gamer 25 September 2006

Please properly sign your posts by appending four tildes to the end, like this: ~~~~ Dancter 17:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Right now, I am still unable to E-mail a new password because the login menu does not accept my new password, Dancter. You're mistaken that I'm not User 70.45.55.254. I am Best Gamer. You must understand me that someone is responsible for logging me out automatically and fix this problem. Best Gamer 3 October 2006

playstation2 is the best gaming console ever in the history of mankind

NPOV

Is it just me or is this kinda breaking the NPOV?

The PlayStation 2 was such a hot item after its release that it was near impossible to find one on retailer shelves,

Shouldnt it be

The PlayStation 2 sold at fast rates after its realise. This cause it to be near inpossible to find...etc.

??? Julz

Yeah that sounds about right, but I thought that the ps2 shortage was also influenced by some other factors, namely a large shipment cut off due to some sort of crash? Mr toasty 03:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

PS2 Pricing

There is a new modification in the page about a new pricing in effect on August the 14th 2006. However, I am not able to find any single online and offline retailer that sells the PS2 at this price. Can someone verify it and make the necessary change please? Pipotchi

I don't think the PS2 will drop to $99 until the same day PS3 is released anyway. ;) --Kuroki Mio 2006 22:00, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

New Official Price: € 129 (Euro) in all Europe on 23 August 2006 [2]

DTS Function

Under Technical Specifications -> Sound it says, "Output: Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround sound, DTS (Only for DVD movies and Cut scenes in PS2 games)". It can render DTS in realtime. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas allows you to enable DTS in the sound options. I have a digital optical connection between the PS2 and the Pioneer VSX-D811S receiver. When DTS is enabled, the receiver's DTS indicator lights, and the relays can be heard switching appropriatly. The DTS signal remains in effect at every point during gameplay and pause mode in realtime. Owners of these receivers know that the indicator light on the receiver changes immediately when switching sound modes on the input equipment. DTS can also be noticed easily by compairing the sound in both modes. This can be confirmed by anyone with the proper equipment and game (like the one mentioned above). The digital optical cable must be used. Please consider removing "(Only for DVD movies and Cut scenes in PS2 games)" in the line referenced above as this is inaccurate with real-world games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.248.86.81 (talk • contribs) 08:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Also SSX Tricky is 100% DTS output. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.147.97.177 (talk • contribs) .

Vice City supports DTS output too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.78.253.205 (talk • contribs) .

Removed "PS2" redirect

Typing "PS2" in Wikipedia's search engine brings me to the disambiguous page, so I've removed the redirect link from this article. Throw 18:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I find it strange that you would say that because back when you worth that message (according to the history of "PS2"), it was still redirecting to PlayStation 2 & it wasn't until today that someone changed that (& even then they attempted to turn it into a disambig not redirected it). SNS 23:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Once Again, The Article is under attack by Sneaky vandalism

I have noted that this article is currently being flooded by sneaky vandalism. The one that I located was the changing of the top selling game from Gran Turismo 3 (which is the cited best selling game) to GTA Vice City and then rechanged to GTA San Andreas. This false information remained unchanged for almost 3 weeks. All edits should be critically reviewed for sneaky vandalism if anymore are found I recommend this page be sprotected. Valoem ^talk 10:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You do have a point. Change the Top-selling game back to Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec, then block it from anyone editing it. Best Gamer 25 September 2006 Professional Gamer 00:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Valoem, I think it is probably a good idea that if you can look up in the history, you'll find users that are performing such vandalisms. Sneaky Vandalisms aren't as hard as you can think. If you can find a Sneaky user, look up in the history and it should be there. No worries. Professional Gamer V19 ^talk 15 October 2006

The article is now under control. If anyone changes the Top-Selling game again, leave a message to me and I can take over from here. Professional Gamer V19 ^talk 16:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I have noticed that the top-selling game known as Gran Turismo 3 has been changed to SmackDown vs. Raw 2007. This is a false video game. Everyone look up in the history article and the sneaky vandalizer is 71.192.237.110. If anyone keeps changing it, notify me so that I can re-edit it once again. All administrators notify me if anyone keeps changing it. If I am not there within several minutes, re-edit for me. Thank you. Professional Gamer V19 ^talk 23 October 2006

Aministrators and non-Administrators, click here, if the top-selling game has been changed. all vandalizers must be blocked. Professional Gamer 16:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that vandalism is happening a lot on all the Playstation pages. Admittingly, I am not a wikipedia editor, I am a researcher, and I helped out a bit, but I can't watch it 24/7, sorry. 70.167.157.34 15:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

On Jan 26 an edit was made to change the top selling game from GT A spec to GTA:SA. About four months latter it still remain, is this edit valid? If not should the infobox be forked off into it's own template and protected? —Dispenser 17:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Chronological List of Games....New & Empty

The PS1 has this great page Chronology of PlayStation games, but there wasn't one for PS2. I've gone ahead and started Chronology of PlayStation 2 games, so it's now ready and near empty. Please enjoy and fill it. - Keithustus 23:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Several hours of spreadsheet manipulation later, there are now 2332 games listed, organized by their month of release. The page also includes projected release dates. - Keithustus 06:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Erroneous or strange Tehnical specifications section

• Under Technical specifications, we have some dubious claims. "Variable from 256x224 to 1280x1024 pixels". Variable what? Pixels per second? Pixels per texture? This needs clarified to indicate display resolution. (And wouldn't this be a specification for the DAC?) "DRAM Bus width: 2560-bit". This also seems a bit odd. This is like saying that if I have two 1.4 GHz processors, my machine runs at 2.8 GHz. --MichaelAhlers 19:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well the GS overall is 2560-bit bus width, read, write and read/write together. It's very high, not just a claim. Also it means the screen resolution, 256x224 is just the lowest they could put it as I supposeBobtheVila

Pink PS2

There is a pink PS2 coming out on 27 october [3] could some person please add this to the article, thanks. User:London UK/Name, 20:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll get one and name it pinky after my chawaua....nah i'll stick with black.BobtheVila

VGCharts

Since I cannot remove it, can somebody else remove VGCharts as a source when the article becomes unprotected? VGCharts uses estimates by the owner of the site and shipment data from companies to determine sales figures, so it should logically not be used as a source (and if there are any too-specific numbers, remove those as they are likely taken from VGCharts). Thanks. - A Link to the Past (talk) 06:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.vgcharts.org/welcome.php VGCharts is not official, true, but it is the closest thing we have, and what you said about VGCharts is not true at all, VGCharts has its own sources. If you find another source for 2006 not the 2005 Yahoo one as that is outdated, you can replace it. However do not just remove cited information you should know better than that. 204.52.215.128 22:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Up to this point I am assuming good faith on A Link to the Past who is "technically" vandalizing WP by removing cited sources without replacing citations (however he did give reasoning). This time I have gone on done research on VGChart's and its reliability and have found NO evidence suggesting that it is not a reliable site (this website itself says it is not professional), however VGCharts seems to be acting on good faith. Also I can not find another source other than ebay's 2005 stats[4] this is however outdated. Until you can find a direct source other than yourself do not remove that citation. 204.52.215.128 03:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not assuming good faith when you accuse someone of vandalism in any way. Vandalism is a user intending to do damage to Wikipedia. And you claimed that the website claims to not be professional and still advocate its usage? Check the discussion page at WP:CVG and List of best-selling computer and video games. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I did not say you were vandalizing, I said "technically" since you were removing citation information even though it was repeatedly stated that information is fine. As far as vandalism goes you clearly are not I stated that you were acting in good faith. 204.52.215.128 04:22, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

It is not even technically. There is no technically. You are either intending to damage Wikipedia or you are not. A bad source is worse than no source at all. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You are missing the point. Acting on your own faith when it disagrees with the intentions of WP is bad faith, since you have been told before not to do it. Anyways I am currently writing an email to one of the sources used by VGCharts to see whether or not they believe VGCharts is reliable. 204.52.215.128 04:51, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

On my own faith? Did I not just tell you to go to the discussion pages of two articles? If you would, you would immediately realize that there is a consensus that VGCharts is not an appropriate source. And I know the person who owns the website - ioi, on NeoGAF's forums. He is not a professional. He uses estimates that he creates using shipment data. So, he uses shipments and estimates - at no point are either appropriate sources. If you wish to have VGCharts used as a source, bring it up on those talk pages. However, there is no legitimate logic to keep this source here with a consensus in two different areas with the only dissenter being a user who refuses to stop adding it, knowing that they are not appropriate. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• I'm opposed. We should use the citable shipping statistics, or the actual sales statistics, not somebody's estimates of the former from the latter. Should be taken to the Wikiproject page for wider debate as that site's popping up all over the place. Sockatume 14:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)