Talk:Drug pipe

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2006/04/05/a-rose-with-another-name-crack-pipe/430fc938-18e4-4457-bcd1-72601deb118d/

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Merge and move to common name?

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To move to Drug pipe (a naturally disambiguated term which is arguably more common) and merge love rose into this article (as a variant, using perhaps a name out of current common use). Expansion would be welcome. Klbrain (talk) 16:09, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A single more developed article would be better than two stubby articles located at unintuitive names.

Neither Love rose nor Pizzo (pipe) appear to be located at the common name for their respective topics. The reference cited at Pizzo (pipe) for "pizzo" lists that name alongside "bubble" and "tweak pipe" with no indication to imply that "pizzo" is the more common of the three (it's not even listed first). The Forbes article referenced by Love rose simply calls them "rose in a glass", although the photo for the article shows packaging labelled "love rose". Crack cocaine § Physiological cites a Washington Post article that calls them "rosebuds" or "stems". Additionally, both "love rose" and "pizzo" are by themselves ambiguous terms and external search results for them overwhelming brings up unrelated results.

Both these topics are almost certainly more widely known by variations "pipe", such as "crack pipe", "meth pipe", "heroin pipe", "tweak pipe", etc. I'd suggest merging the two articles and moving to a title like Drug pipe which is inclusive of pipes both with a "bowl" (ie. a "pizzo") and without a "bowl" (ie. a "love rose"). The absence or presence of a "bowl" like the "oil burner pipe" illustrated at Pizzo (pipe) is a variation that can easily be covered within the scope of a broader article and both variants would be equally recognised as crack/meth/etc. "pipes".

As I noted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 3#Crack stem, the association with fake roses in glass tubes seems to be largely historical and that history can be covered in a subsection on the topic within the context of a broader article about glass pipes used for smoking drugs like crack/meth/etc.

"Drug pipe" is just a suggestion, and I'm open to other suggestions. Sources refering to glass "drug pipe(s)" can be found on Google Books, so this broad term is in use; it's also naturally disambiguated. (Edit: Thinking about it further, it might be ambiguous with pipes used for smoking tobacco and cannabis which are clearly of a different sort. That said, search results suggest that "drug pipe" is primarily associated with 'hard' drugs like crack, meth, and heroin.) – Scyrme (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BDD, CopperyMarrow15, and Lenticel: This 'reply' is just to notify you; feel free to ignore if you're no longer interested now that the RfD is over. – Scyrme (talk) 23:11, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think merging them under "Drug pipe" would be more apt. --WikiLinuz (talk) 00:12, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. –CopperyMarrow15 (talk | edits) Feel free to ping me! 19:33, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Very excited for this discussion. I believe there is history, culture, and public health information about the harm reduction applications of both the "love rose" and "bubble" pipes which when addressed simultaneously reinforce misinformation about their safety and applications. While the Love Rose is often intended for crack cocaine, it is also use for Hotrails, sniffing, and sometimes the inhalation of fentanyl/heroin. The Bubble however is almost exclusively applied to methamphetamine. As new pipes emerge to be marketed as alternatives to injection among people who use drugs, such as the Hammer Pipes, more detailed, individual entries may help dispel myths and avoid confluence of nicknames and application for each. Duffy5544 (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 16:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]