Talk:Pisanhari Ki Marhia

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Did you know... that according to legend, the Jain temple of Pisanhari Ki Marhia was built by a poor old woman who saved up money by milling flour?

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Dear pratyk321, i highly appreciate your efforts in reconfiguering the page. However i feel that the lead section should clearly bring out the notability of the subject, which in this case derives from its ancient origin and the love and labor of the Pisanhari. I think a little about both these should be included in the lead, the details of which may figure in other sections. Should you like to do it, please go ahead or let me know your point of view.LoveAll (talk). 10:49, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LoveAll (talk), I have added a lead section, feel free to update. Thanks Pratyk321 (talk) 11:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

just added vintage in the lead to justify notability.LoveAll (talk). 05:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:22, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Pisanhari ki Marhia

... that a Jain temple campus sprawling across 18 acres named Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) is a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed a one room temple by saving money from milling flours in 1442 CE? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.

Created by Loveallwiki (talk) and Pratyk321 (talk). Nominated by Loveallwiki (talk) at 06:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC).[reply]

FYI: I have requested Guild of Copy Editors to help in improving the quality of writing in articles. Pratyk321 (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Loveallwiki:, I have rephrased the hook. Please let me know your thoughts on this? Pratyk321 (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Pratyk321:, Good, i have modified it a little to emphasize the notability due to vintage and present expanse. pl have a look.LoveAll (talk). 06:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Loveallwiki: We're not looking to say everything in the hook, just need to mention something interesting that readers will click on to find out more. Let's keep both hooks. The reviewer can help us decide the best-suited hook. Thanks and regards Pratyk321 (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0a ... that a Jain temple named Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) as a tribute to Pisanhari, the poor old lady, who constructed the temple by saving money from milling flours? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.
ALT1a ... that one room temple of Pisanhari Ki Marhia (pictured) constructed by an poor old lady by saving money from milling flours now spreads over 18 acres (73,000 m²) complex? Mitra, Swati (2012). Temples of Madhya Pradesh (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9789380262499.Mitra, Swati (2008). Jabalpur, City Guide (1 ed.). Goodearth Publications. ISBN 9788187780731.
OK. please submit. thanks and regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loveallwiki (talk • contribs) 11:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BlueMoonset: I hope it's alright if I take this DYK for review. Isabelle ^🔔 03:12, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Isabelle, you're welcome to pick any nomination you wish to review. Please go ahead. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Loveallwiki: Alrighty! First the basics: the article was posted for review on 16 July, so within 7 days of being moved to main space; it has not been featured previously; and at 1907 characters it is long enough. Concerning the sources, I don't have access to some of them, while others that I do have access are in Hindi, so I'll assume good faith here. I did notice two issues, though. One of the sentences in "History" does not appear to be sourced (and could use with better phrasing): The woman who does this work is called "Pisanhari" and "Marhia" is a very small temple generally consisting of a single room. That is why the temple is called "Pisanhari ki Marhia" (Temple of Pisanhari). This appear to be stated as a matter of fact, but I'd like a source on this. Also, source number 5 (the website that rings a loud bell when you load it) appears to be a WP:UCG sort of website, if that's the case, it's not a reliable source and should be avoided. Aside from these two main issues, the article is in desperate need of copy-editing. I'll await an answer from the nominator. Isabelle ^🔔 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit? OK lets look at it. The second sentence says that it was paid for by a poor woman who milled flour .... who made enough money to build a temple. Really? Nice fiction, but I suggest that someone takes this in hand or it should be removed from the queue. Victuallers (talk) 14:54, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the nominator gasn't edited since August 28th. I left them a talk page message recently, but they need to respond soon and address any remaining issues. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:20, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The article still has issues in that the sentence that needs rewriting was not changed, the hook needs to reflect that the name of the temple's origins is from a legend, and it seems the article needs to be moved to its redirect, Pisanhari Ki Madiya, which appears to be the temple's common name, as all accessable sources in the article use it, instead of "Pisanhari Ki Marhia". Courtsey ping to Loveallwiki. Isabelle ^🔔 15:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Isabelle: i have copy edited the History section to some extent. Hope it is acceptable now. The redirect from "Pisanhari ki Madiya" already exists. i propose the following hook: ALT2: ... that a poor old lady called "Pisanhari" built a temple with her own savings in 1442 CE? Please guide further. LoveAll (talk). 11:34, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a new review to check the article and ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article doesn't seem to be ready yet, so I'll adopt the nom. Let's see if I can't try and fix this up. article's sourcing requirements seem to have been addressed—I removed the sentence relying on source 5 and the other sourcing issue looks to have already been worked out. The article wasn't long, I finished a second copyedit on that front. I'll suggest some alts:

ALT2a: ... that legend says that Pisanhari Ki Marhia was built by a poor old woman who saved up money by milling flour?

ALT2b: ... that Pisanhari Ki Marhia, according to legend, was built by a poor old woman who saved up money by milling flour?

ALT2c: ... that Pisanhari Ki Marhia was built by a legendary poor old woman who saved up money by milling flour?

this one's a little misleading, but in a good way.

We'll still need a new reviewer, but I hope this helps. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 08:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping improve the article, theleekycauldron. The hooks ALT2a and b are acceptable and well-sourced, and I'd recommend using Alt2b. Concerning the article, it's been greatly improved from last time I read it, although I still see some issues: one sentence in the "Architecture" section is missing an inline citation; the source attributed to the meaning of the word "marhia" does not appear to actually say what that word means. Isabelle ^🔔 15:31, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Isabelle Belato: I also like ALT2b best. I couldn't find a source for the architecture paragraph, so i cut it; While I would normally argue that if "marhia" just means "temple", we wouldn't need a unified citation for that part, but I couldn't find a source on the meaning of marhia, so I just cut that too. We are still barely over character count. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 19:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming good faith on the sources, some of which are in Hindi, the article seems ready for main page DYK now, with ALT2a or b. Thanks for your work theleekycauldron, as well as for the work Loveallwiki and pratyk321. Isabelle ^🔔 20:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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