Talk:Piping Hot

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This article was nominated for deletion on 13 July 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Speedy deletion nomination of Piping Hot (surfwear)

A tag has been placed on Piping Hot (surfwear) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a company or corporation, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for companies and corporations.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Trevor Marron (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the proposition of deleting this. I tidied it up and couldn't find one decent ref for notability. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 22:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, I'm the one who removed the speedy tag and the PROD - and I'm not the one who created the article. Piping Hot was a major national clothing brand at least into this decade, with their own standalone stores, as well as major chains retailing their goods - at least where I grew up it was a household name. "Piping hot" seems to be enough of a common term that (along with spam and such) the Google results are a bit polluted with irrelevant crap; nonetheless it shouldn't be hard to find reliable sources if one hits up the papers. Rebecca (talk) 16:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then can I suggest you find some and attach them to the article, as without them it is not going to survive for long. As you no doubt know, all facts must be verifiable and without them there can be no article. Trevor Marron (talk) 16:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, a troll, I see. Well, I can't say that I didn't try reasoning with you. Rebecca (talk) 16:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully request you remove that remark. You say that there should be loads of reference, but provide none. All I asked was for some, as there is noting ON THE ARTICLE that shows why the company is or was of note. Trevor Marron (talk) 17:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We judge notability on whether reliable sources exist, not on whether or not the current article is cruddy. I made a reasonable argument for why it's extremely likely that reliable sources exist, and made a pointer as to where, if you were interested in fixing the article yourself, you might find them. To that, you responded extremely rudely. A quick search of Google Books for Piping Hot reveals two different sources stating that at their peak they sponsored world champion surfers. This article states that it was one of Australia's top three surfing companies. The state tourism department plugs its birthplace as being the place where it was founded. This was in five minutes. Rebecca (talk) 17:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have added this debate to the articles talkpage. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 18:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is the part I don't understand. Apparently there are decent sources out there, but I could not find them. Rebecca, after trying to sort the article out has found them, but she still has not put them on the article, then accuses me of being a Troll, something that she still has not removed. Yet as I could find no references and Wikipedia is clear on the matter (WP:Verifiability and particularly WP:BURDEN) it is neither up to me to find them or to put them on the article. As someone who tries hard to patrol at least 100 pages a day from the un-patrolled back-log I seriously resent the the remark that I am simply trolling, quite frankly I don't have time to do that kind of thing. Rebecca, we don't all live in Australia (much as I would love to) and although I am familiar with many surf-wear companies (Quicksilver, Billabong, Ripcurl, O'Neill, No Fear, Roxy et al.) I have never heard of Piping Hot as a major name or otherwise before I saw it here, indeed the brand is not even listed in the Surf culture article. Trevor Marron (talk) 22:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]