Talk:Pinscreen animation

Why not create pinscreen movies by using modern technology?

What the pinscreen technique does is to make realistic 3D-pictures. But in the modern age it is possible to do this in a much better and faster way, and with better results, even if a different technique is used.

Back then they didn't have all the modern tools we have today. Now we can make these 3-D pictures by printing them out with a 3D printer, stereolithography, 3DP or Selective laser sintering or whatever tool is best suited. Some of these machines could print out a number of 3D images each day. Each of these images can be based on real objects which is 3D scanned before uploaded to a computer, which then printes them out the way they want it to be. Or they can be created entirely on a computer without needing to be real objects first. The color is already programmed in the computers, and the printed objects can be colored by hand, by using tools as liquid ink-jet printers or by combining both techniques.

One and one 3D picture are printed out, colored and then taken a picture of by the movie makers. Once this is done, the color can be flushed away and the platic melted and used over again for other 3D pictures in the same movie.

If an object on the image are supposed to be surrounded by light, this can by added on the computer after the picture is taken, or small holes can be drilled in the 3D picture and optical fibers inserted.

For real complicated scenes, bluescreen would be handy. First some 3D pictures where only the objects foreground are present are made, the rest of the picture is just blue (as in bluescreen). Then other 3D pictures of objects in the background and between are printed out, also they surrounded by bluescreen. When the whole scene is done, all the objects on the different images are being fused together on the same image by using a computer, and a complicated scene is complete.

As with stop-motion, this would be very time consuming and cost a lot of money, but it is fully possible to make a movie like this by using the tolls which are already availble today. And as mentioned, it would be very much faster to produce a 3D image movie this way then by using the traditional pinscreen technique, and with better results. Because both techniques have the same goal; to create 3D images. Of course it does not motter how it is done, it is the results that counts. But time, money and quality are very dominating elements in the movie industry.

Don't forget the most important part; you have to take a picture of it on a wooden table. --66.251.26.82 09:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Reply:

There are many techniques available for creating 3D effects in animation. The pin screen is important because it has produced some really interesting results. --Dhodges 14:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Well...

(Just edited your reply a bit, to prevent other readers to get confused about who wrote what) It wouldn't call it that important considering how little impact it has had on animation so far, but it is without a doubt very interesting. But what is your reply about? I'm actual saying it would like to see a movie made by using some 3D technique never or almost never used before. Today it is possible to produce 3D images that looks exactly like pinscreen images, but with different tools. Maybe is it even possible to use the same "canvas" over and over again instead of producing a new one each time. If someone with big name in Hollywood with enought money and investors decides to make an animated film like this, I'm sure they will come up with a solution. The trouble with real pinscreen animation is all the time and work that is needed. So other tools would have to be used instead, unless images created on a computer can be created on a pinscreen by moving each single pin, one and one, automatically with the help of the computer. (I guess it is also possible to simulate pinscreen, or other 3D images, on a computer, but as with stop-motion it just wouldn't be the same if it wasn't made the "real" way.)

Another idea

Pinscreen animation is also famoues for its shadow effects. By making a flat screen where optic fibres are used instead of pins, it is possible to create a similar effect (and even color effects). By filming in a dark room, with most of the fibres glowing with a white light (maybe covered by a white canvas or something, thin enough for the light to go throught), and some don't glowing at all, there would be some shadow effects. Which fibres that are glowing and which are not are of course controlled by a computer (or manuel, but that will be more time consuming).

And as mentioned in the first suggestion at the top of the phage, it is not possible to produce 3D images. Another possibility this gives, is the ability to produce 3D images specially made to create the well known light and shadow effects if someone is litting the image from the side with a spotlight.

The whole thing seems to be something between 2D animation and stop-motion animation. If it is still possible to make stop-motion, and modern technology allows movie makers to make this kind of animation without using more time or money, it is sad if no one use the oppertunity.

There is a reason it is made so few pinscreen animation movies, and all of the relativ short. Today it can be made faster, so what are the animators and producers waiting for? I would have tried it out myself if I were in the animation business.

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Please, no first-person or second-person! Awesimo 04:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

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Use of Pin Screen in Orson Welles' "The Trial"

By far the most famous use of Pin Screen technique must have been with Orson Welles' film of Kafka's novel "The Trial". Movie begins with a brief but very memorable Pin Screen segment, which tells the story of the man who comes to the Castle looking for Jusice and is denied entry. He waits outside the doors for all his life, barred from entry by a giant guard. As he is about to die, he asks the guard: "Why is that for all this time, so many years, I have never seen anyone else come here to ask for Justice?". The guard replies: "Why, because this door was built for you, and now that you are going to die, I am going to shut it - forever". There is a fadeout, and then the story of Joseph K begins. I STILL get goosebumps whenever I remember it.

I will go about adding this to the page (not the goosebumbs bit). Are there no other important instances of Pin Screen use.?It was a complete winner in "The Trial"? Myles325a (talk) 11:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Convoluted sentence

"Due to Cecile Starr (friend of Alexeieff and Parker, and distributor of their work in the US) most insisting intervention talking to Norman McLaren that the opportunity should not be missed to preserve Alexeïeff's knowledge, this demonstration was filmed". "Most insisting intervention talking that the opportunity"? Can someone rework this sentence into less of an obscure labyrinth, please? Kumagoro-42 14:51, 5 November 2017 (UTC)