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Added birthdate.

I've added her birthdate to this article because on her Genius profile ^[1], it says she was born on 18 April 2001.

PROOF: Victoria Walker (born April 18th, 2001), popularly known as PinkPantheress, is an English singer, songwriter, and record producer. Her identity is mostly mysterious and anonymous, much like her music which stands as a blend of House, Disco, Neo-Soul, Lo-Fi, UK Garage, and Pop. Her name derives from the iconic American fictional animated character The Pink Panther. She signed to Parlophone in 2021. Angelicmonterohannaho123 (talk) 14:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://genius.com/artists/Pinkpantheress

Reported name

Numerous sources cite her name and date of birth as Gemma Victoria Walker^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4] and 18/04/2001, but there are users who seem keen for this not to be published. Suggesting page protection to prevent continued edit war back-and-forth. CPMartin (talk) 12:06, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Some news sources that previously listed her name have been quietly removing it, presumably on request from either her or her PR team to try to maintain the air of mystery. There are archive versions of many of the original articles that include her full name^[5]^[6]^[7] (some were not archived before they removed it, and some still retain it^[4]). This suggests that there is a strong (albeit ultimately futile) attempt to keep her name a secret. As such, perhaps it's indeed best that this article doesn't directly list her name just yet. I would suggest that this issue should be revisited at some point. CPMartin (talk) 13:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a further update, it seems there is another, perhaps more plausible contender for the name that has been reported: Victoria Beverley Walker. This name has had a similar fate on news websites, including the BBC^[8], being mysteriously disappeared from the original version of the article. This name is listed in other sources too.^[9]^[10] Interestingly, the German version of Wikipedia (at the time of writing) also lists this name^[11], but it doesn't give a source for it. It seems that waiting for clarity is probably a good idea. CPMartin (talk) 16:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As predicted, it didn't take long for this to start coming out elsewhere, albeit only in the very unreliable source The Daily Mail^[12]. They also appear to spell her middle name wrongly (a missing 'e', according to a birth record in the right area at the right time) and provide the abbreviated form of her first name. In general, the Mail writes a pile of trash, but the overall gist of this article seems broadly plausible. However, her name has still not been published in the media more widely, so I concur with previous editors that despite her name now being essentially an open secret, holding off putting it in the article is still the right thing to do. CPMartin (talk) 11:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@CPMartin: I know it's quite lengthy but I advise you at least skim through Talk:Mxmtoon#Include real name or not. I used to always take the same approach as you in the name of providing basic biographical information in an encyclopaedic article, uncensored by the subject as per WP:OWN. But I realized that us editors fighting against PR teams is a pointless battle. The sources you listed clearly disclosed the artist's name without permission and are also rather primary; thus are invalid as per WP:BLPNAME and WP:BLPPRIVACY. The more reliable secondary sources vanished the name for a reason and the use of archives might be disputed in this case. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 13:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that – I just took a look over it. As you suggest, arguing with a PR team (or indeed someone claiming to be/know the subject of an article) does look like an uphill battle (although semiprotection helps). She also appears to want to keep her name a pseudo-secret, for whatever reason, and I agree that the listed sources are not yet of high enough quality to include. If she turns out to be more than a flash in the pan, then I suspect it will be quite hard for her to keep a lid on the name thing, though. But as I said, I agree that this article should hold off directly naming her for now. CPMartin (talk) 18:15, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.concertarchives.org/bands/pinkpantheress
^ https://trengezie.com/pinkpantheress-age-bio-net-worth/
^ https://www.last.fm/music/PinkPantheress
^ ^a ^b https://politiken.dk/kultur/musik/art8499551/Hendes-debutalbum-giver-sommerfugle-i-maven-og-markerer-sig-som-%C3%A5rets-genbrugspopv%C3%A6rk
^ "Pinkpantheress wins BBC Radio 1's sound of 2022". MixMag. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.
^ "TikTok breakout star PinkPantheress wins BBC Sound of 2022". HotPress. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.
^ "What Is PinkPantheress' Real Name? Here's What We Know", Pop Sugar, archived from the original on 2021-12-13, retrieved 2022-01-06
^ "PinkPantheress made hits from her bedroom - now she's won the BBC Sound Of 2022". BBC News. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.
^ "PinkPantheress, a mysterious singer wins BBC Sound Of Twenty22". virtualtrener.com. Archived from the original on 2022-01-07. Retrieved 2022-01-07.
^ "PinkPantheress is BBC Sound of 2022!". dansendeberen.be. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.
^ https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PinkPantheress&oldid=218838746
^ "Unmasked! New 20-year-old TikTok pop sensation called PinkPantheress is the 'posh' daughter of a statistics professor and civil servant". Daily Mail.

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2022

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Change "Gemma Victoria Walker" to "Gemma Bridey Smith". Pink Pantheress' name is Gemma Bridey Smith. MaiaReid (talk) 13:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:23, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:PinkPantheress/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 01:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:06, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio Check - I reviewed the top matches from Earwig's Copyvio Detector. No concerns. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Images - CC. Positioning and captions are OK. Consider adding alt text.

Added alt text. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

"statistic professor" - I only see "academic in the cited source, not the field of study. The Face source can be used for this.
"She has one older brother, who works as an audio engineer." - not verified by cited source. The Face source can be used for this.
"When she was five years old" - not verified by cited source. The Face source can be used for this.

Was hesitant to put The Face source at the end of each of these per WP:REPCITE. Obviously not a policy, but it still seems redundant to keep repeating the same citation as opposed to just leaving it at the end of the final sentence that supports all of those things. benǝʇᴉɯ 14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is an argument that the current version passes WP:BLPSOURCES as the info isn't likely to be challenged, but I think it's preferable to have the citations directly adjacent to the material. If this section is expanded in future, the links between The Face citation and the supported material might become more distant. To avoid it looking too ugly on the page, you could use WP:CITEBUNDLE. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Career

Second paragraph has two sentences starting withe "Her" followed by two sentences starting with "She". I suggest copyediting this.

I assume you're saying to specify who it is I'm talking about, right? benǝʇᴉɯ 14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If so,

done. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It was about the repetition at the start of sentences, but wasn't too bad. OK now, even with the "She" starting consecutive sentences. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Artistry

"topline writing" - I didn't know what this meant; maybe add an explanation in text or in a footnote to explain it?

~~Normally I would just wikilink "topline writing", but it has no article on here. I can include a footnote, since I also was unaware of what topline writing was prior to seeing her discuss it.~~ benǝʇᴉɯ 14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, I can just wikilink Songwriter#Top-liners. D'oh!

Just did that. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

""a form of D'n'B that's acceptable to listen to at home" - add the source directly after this quote; also make it clear which source(s) the shorter quotes come from.

Done. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move ref 50 to directly after "signature of [PinkPantheress's] work"

Done. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move ref 42 to directly after "sweet but unsettling"

Done. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discography

Looks fine.

Sources

Seem appropriate, and no issues found with verification except as mentioned above. There are a couple of places where references can be ordered numerically, e.g. "[9][7]", "[40][1][46]"

Ordered refs. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Add something into the main body about the subject being a producer, to avoid having to use a citation in the infobox.

Better? benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The link to the official site gives me a dodgy pop-up about winning phones. Is this still the right url?

I think the dodgy pop-up is there on purpose as a joke. If I had to guess, it's a part of the early 2000s gimmick. Also, if you noticed, clicking "OK" doesn't actually do anything, and it says "before we give it away to someone else more grateful." benǝʇᴉɯ 14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're braver than me! BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead is quite short. I'd suggest adding a brief summary of the Artistry section, and, in particular, something about genres.

Better? benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are some duplicated links, i.e. UK Singles Chart, Paramore, Green Day, dance/dance music. I think all of these can be delinked after the first instance in the body, per MOS:DUPLINK.

Done. benǝʇᴉɯ 15:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work on the article, Benmite. I've read the discussion on the talk page (and the subject's views on privacy in sources), and I am satisfied that the absence of further personal details in the article is appropriate per WP:BLPPRIVACY. I amended year of birth in the article per The Guardian source, which hopefully you're happy with, given that it had been changed after your earlier edits. I think the article only needs tweaks to meet GA standards, but I'll have another look after reviewing your responses. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for fixing the birth year! benǝʇᴉɯ 14:44, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just The Face citation issue pending. Thanks for making the amendments, Benmite. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:57, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: Took care of that. Thanks so much for doing this review, BTW! benǝʇᴉɯ 19:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your efforts, @Benmite:. I'm satisfied that this meets the GA criteria now, so am passing it. Well done! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2023

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Add "Boy's a liar Pt. 2" to the music video list Https.nicholas (talk) 19:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hi @Https.nicholas – thank you for writing here to suggested this edit! I've gone ahead and added "Boy's a liar Pt. 2" to the Music Videos section in this edit ^ _ ^ Stussll (talk) 23:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Real name (revisited)

I was adding the writing credits for Skrillex's Don't Get Too Close, where PinkPantheres features on the track "Way Back". That song's writing credits on Tidal include Victoria Walker, which would indicate to me that her real name isn't as much of a secret anymore.

I don't want to add the name if it goes against consensus, but this felt like a good reason to bring the subject back up and see how we feel about re-adding the name in the article. Sock (~~tock~~ talk) 19:44, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've added it, IMO she's gotten big enough (see Boy's a liar pt. 2) that it's fine. Llacb47 (talk) 06:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Professionally' spelt wrong

'Professionally' spelt wrong in first line of article 1.64.33.179 (talk) 00:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Poirot09 (talk) 11:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The website linked is malicious it has a popup that says you won an amazon giftcard at: https://www.pantheress.pink/ Myshiro (talk) 07:45, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: It looks like an official crappy website. M.Bitton (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It does not look like that to me, it's clearly malicious. I'm looking into it. Actualcpscm (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Removed the malicious links. Please ping me if someone reverts that. I checked the history, and no comments were made when it was added. Actualcpscm (talk) 16:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Kpop band' Specific Band Name

She lists the band NCT 127 as the kpop influence, the band has r&b, pop and hip hop influence. It's quite disrespectful to not list the band by their name. 2407:D000:D:5BE2:B179:998E:9729:56B9 (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Real Name

I just reverted an edit that added an alleged real name to the article. I saw that there was discussion regarding this issue a year ago, with the result that there was insufficient reporting from reliable sources. As per WP:BLP, including a real name requires multiple reliable sources. The source that was given here was not unambiguously clear on this matter and arguably a primary source; this does not meet the threshold for inclusion of the name. Please ping me with any changes to this. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just an update that there are now multiple reliable sources using her real name, Vicky Beverly Walker: People^[1] and Glossy^[2]. Arvinahmadi (talk) 22:54, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date?

The article lists her birth date as 18 April 2001 but uses this tweet^[3] from her on 19 April 2023 as a source. Are there any reliable sources on this? If not, it should be removed from the article. मल्ल (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Bell, Sadie (2023-09-29). "'PinkPantheress Shops with Yara Shahidi, Charithra Chandran, India Amarteifio in Adorable 'Mosquito' Video'". People. Retrieved 2023-11-12.
^ Sandler, Emma (2023-08-24). "Starface brings on Gen-Z singer-songwriter PinkPantheress for its latest campaign". Digiday. Retrieved 2023-11-12.
^ pinkpantheress [@pinkpantheress2] (April 19, 2023). "best bday ever!! 🥹🥹" (Tweet) – via Twitter.

मल्ल (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The issue's been resolved, thanks ActivelyDisinterested! See: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_437#Blavity. मल्ल (talk) 22:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://genius.com/artists/Pinkpantheress

[2] ttps://www.concertarchives.org/bands/pinkpantheress

[3] ttps://trengezie.com/pinkpantheress-age-bio-net-worth/

[4] ttps://www.last.fm/music/PinkPantheress

[danish-5] ttps://politiken.dk/kultur/musik/art8499551/Hendes-debutalbum-giver-sommerfugle-i-maven-og-markerer-sig-som-%C3%A5rets-genbrugspopv%C3%A6rk

[MixMag-6] "Pinkpantheress wins BBC Radio 1's sound of 2022". MixMag. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.

[HotPress-7] "TikTok breakout star PinkPantheress wins BBC Sound of 2022". HotPress. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.

[PopSugar-8] "What Is PinkPantheress' Real Name? Here's What We Know", Pop Sugar, archived from the original on 2021-12-13, retrieved 2022-01-06

[BBCNews1-9] "PinkPantheress made hits from her bedroom - now she's won the BBC Sound Of 2022". BBC News. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.

[virtualtrener-10] "PinkPantheress, a mysterious singer wins BBC Sound Of Twenty22". virtualtrener.com. Archived from the original on 2022-01-07. Retrieved 2022-01-07.

[dansendeberen-11] "PinkPantheress is BBC Sound of 2022!". dansendeberen.be. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-07.

[12] ttps://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PinkPantheress&oldid=218838746

[13] "Unmasked! New 20-year-old TikTok pop sensation called PinkPantheress is the 'posh' daughter of a statistics professor and civil servant". Daily Mail.

[14] Bell, Sadie (2023-09-29). "'PinkPantheress Shops with Yara Shahidi, Charithra Chandran, India Amarteifio in Adorable 'Mosquito' Video'". People. Retrieved 2023-11-12.

[15] Sandler, Emma (2023-08-24). "Starface brings on Gen-Z singer-songwriter PinkPantheress for its latest campaign". Digiday. Retrieved 2023-11-12.

[16] theress [@pinkpantheress2] (April 19, 2023). "best bday ever!! 🥹🥹" (Tweet) – via Twitter.

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