Talk:Pinewood Derby (South Park)/GA1
GA Review
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Failed "good article" nomination
[edit]This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of April 25, 2009, compares against the six good article criteria:
- 1. Well written?:
- "In the end, Randy helps Stan cheat in a pinewood derby race, which inadvertently leads to the discovery of alien life. When the South Park residents come into possession of "space cash", they decide to keep it for themselves and hide it from alien police officers who are looking for it." - This doesn't sound right. First, it starts by what looks to be an introduction for the end of the episode (i.e. "In the end"...there was no lead in). It goes from alien life to space cash, with no real transition.
- Should've said "In the episode", not "in the end". Fixed that and tried to add a better transition. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- "The episode was written and directed by series co-founder Trey Parker, and was rated TV-MA L in the United States." - The first part should really be in the lead sentence, not the second paragraph. How relevant is the "TV-MA L"? Is every episode rated that? If so, then it's trivial. If not, then explanation in the lead as to how that was the "first time", or why it was significant to the episode is necessary. I bring this up because we don't generally list TV ratings, because they vary more dramatically than film ratings, which aren't covered outside of controversial ratings.
- Dropped it. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- "The episode spoofed a number of world leaders including Gordon Brown, Nicolas Sarkozy, Silvio Berlusconi, Felipe Calderón, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Angela Merkel, Hu Jintao and Taro Aso." - Is it necessary to generalize--"It spoofed a number..."--and then follow that with what appears to be a list of every person it spoofed? It's probably not necessary to list everyone in the lead.
- They aren't all there, but I dropped all but a few. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- "In the end, Randy helps Stan cheat in a pinewood derby race, which inadvertently leads to the discovery of alien life. When the South Park residents come into possession of "space cash", they decide to keep it for themselves and hide it from alien police officers who are looking for it." - This doesn't sound right. First, it starts by what looks to be an introduction for the end of the episode (i.e. "In the end"...there was no lead in). It goes from alien life to space cash, with no real transition.
- 2. Factually accurate?:
- There is no source given for the airdate in either the US or Canada. Granted it was only a week ago, but a couple of years from now we cannot expect people to remember when something aired if they never actually saw or heard about it.
- Added. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- "Parallels have been drawn in the media between the space cash and the G-20 forum's illusionary one trillion dollars to fight the global recession." - This is not stated in that source next to it.
- "Prime Minister Gordon Brown's complicity in the decision.." - not supported by the source next to it. It appears to be a personal observation made, which is original research.
- The source says "In a script designed to mock UK-Icelandic relations, Mr Brown orders..." Doesn't the fact that Mr. Brown is ordering it indicate complicity?
- Yeah, I guess so. I had to go re-read the events in the plot to figure out what exactly was happening.
- The source says "In a script designed to mock UK-Icelandic relations, Mr Brown orders..." Doesn't the fact that Mr. Brown is ordering it indicate complicity?
- Cannot find Prime Minister of Italy Silvio Berlusconi in the list of names from that Portuguese source.
- You're right, but he is in ref number 3. I switched the citation tags accordingly.
- "...and his name is derived from Baby Face Nelson." - I assume that's the alien. I cannot find this in the source listed.
- Yeah, looks like someone slipped that one in. It's probably true, but I can't find a source for it. Dropped it. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- There is no source given for the airdate in either the US or Canada. Granted it was only a week ago, but a couple of years from now we cannot expect people to remember when something aired if they never actually saw or heard about it.
- 3. Broad in coverage?:
- From what I can see, this is satisfied but the "Production and themes" section is kind of misleading. First, naming the writer and director is not production, and the "themes" (whic I address that the first one listed isn't correctly sourced) are presented as if that was their intention (i.e. Trey did it on purpose). For that you'd have to have Parker's word. It's really critic's interpretation of the episode, so it should probably be with the reception part of the article. No production section isn't going to hurt the GAN, because it's about being broad, not comprehensive. :D
- I merged it with Reception. Let me know what you think. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- From what I can see, this is satisfied but the "Production and themes" section is kind of misleading. First, naming the writer and director is not production, and the "themes" (whic I address that the first one listed isn't correctly sourced) are presented as if that was their intention (i.e. Trey did it on purpose). For that you'd have to have Parker's word. It's really critic's interpretation of the episode, so it should probably be with the reception part of the article. No production section isn't going to hurt the GAN, because it's about being broad, not comprehensive. :D
- 4. Neutral point of view?:
- CHECK!
- 5. Article stability?
- CHECK!
- 6. Images?:
- Two images, not sure File:South park pinewood derby2.jpg is necessary. The fair use rationale says "to show a scene from the episode". That's what the infobox image is for. This requires critical commentary that significantly increases understanding (though, I'm generally only concerned with the actual commentary on the image...I don't care if it "significantly increases understanding" or not).
- Dropped the second image. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Two images, not sure File:South park pinewood derby2.jpg is necessary. The fair use rationale says "to show a scene from the episode". That's what the infobox image is for. This requires critical commentary that significantly increases understanding (though, I'm generally only concerned with the actual commentary on the image...I don't care if it "significantly increases understanding" or not).
Uh, what does this mean? —Terrence and Phillip 23:53, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
- Alright, I'll start reading over the article now. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I've laid my review of the page out. I have this and the page itself on my watchlist, so I'll be able to see when you've either made changes to the page or at least commented on here about what I said. Cheers. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks Bignole. Let me know if you have any other concerns! — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 05:28, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- All looks good. I did a quick expansion of the bottom lead paragraph to include some stuff that would help summarize more of the article as a whole. Other than that, I don't see why this doesn't pass the GA criteria. Good work. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 05:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I've laid my review of the page out. I have this and the page itself on my watchlist, so I'll be able to see when you've either made changes to the page or at least commented on here about what I said. Cheers. BIGNOLE (Contact me) 01:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)