Talk:Pinchus Feldman

Awards

ems2, do you have the date that he received the Order of Australia? --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 18:01, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Forget it, I found it. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 18:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Didn't he also receive another award in 1996? ems 18:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Pinchas or Pinchus

It seems both spelling are being used at random. About.com uses Pinchas but The Age uses Pinchus. Other website also are using both at random. ems 13:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Legal spelling is Pinchus. Fixing up all the articles. ems 09:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

hv

Testimony before the Royal Commission. Feldman's testimony before the commission has been well covered, and any attempt to remove the content on his testimony would really be yet another example of "covering up" when faced with the issue of child abuse. VanEman (talk) 06:06, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring

@Maxwell270:

There are a few inconsistencies in your edits to the sources. 1. Primarily him being married in Melb, which is contradictory to the source provided. If you have a better source please provide it 2. There was a thriving community in Sydney prior to his arrival. This is backed up by the source. I do not know why you insist on taking the statement of a theologian who does not live in Australia as gospel? There are facts and Sydney did have a significant community before Feldman turned up 3. You seem to want to scrub his name clean. The Royal Commission was scathing in its analysis of Feldman's response, and while Feldman's defence of his actions is appropriate to be in the article, you cannot change what he said, such as the quote that he "dropped the ball" and change it to say something else 4. Do you have a conflict of interest? From point 1 you seem to have intimate knowledge of the subject beyond the sources. Please reveal what your connection is if you have it

I am trying to be fair to the subject matter, and I am sure we can come to some fair conclusion about these issues Playlet (talk) 05:56, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

1) The Gutnick family lived in Melbourne so that is where the wedding would have taken place, he only moved to Sydney 2 years later

2)the source you quote looks like a corrupted file, doesn't lead to anything

3)not at all, just want to supply both sides of the story, his response alongside the accusations made against him

4) no, I lived within the Sydney community for 15 years, central goer, and I just feel that this article is a one-sided account

would love to come to a reasonable unbiased report with you!

whats your association?

Maxwell270 (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2021 (UTC)maxwell11270

1. It needs to be sourced. At the moment the only source is when he went directly to Sydney. Do you have direct knowledge of this? If you have a source I would love the article to be more accurate

2. Fixed. But I feel that there is too much weight given to a Chabad writer who is not from Australia passing judgment about the pre-1960s Sydney community. Anyone who knows the basics of the community know that the community was thriving before that, and even the Orthodox world had a Beth Din, and numerous synagogues, so that quote is significantly overstating any influence he may have had. Also the part of the quote where he talks about his sons and son-in-laws running many of the communal synagogues and institutions is just false. Because of the clownish stupidity of this quote I suggest it be removed completely.

3. The conclusions of the royal commission came down very harshly on Feldman and the Yeshiva Centre. I agree that it is fair that his defence of his actions be put in, but there is no need for it to be his whole quotes, selected quotes and the general idea of his defence is enough. It also cannot dominate the section. The royal commissions conclusions were against him, and the relevant section of the article should not reflect otherwise. It should accurately reflect the conclusions of the commission.Playlet (talk) 01:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the royal commission, it came down very harshly on the organization, as this is an article about Rabbi Feldman, not the Yeshva Centre it seems fair to talk about allegations made concerning him, and his response. Additionally, what is quoted from the articles is selectively quoted, that is what I'm trying to rectify, not changing, rather just giving the full picture. The best source is the royal commission transcripts which I quoted.

as there seems to be a lot quoted from someones Blog which holds no accountability and contains no element of sources behind it, besides for their suppositions. Maxwell270 (talk) 19:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Also, I never quote his full testimony, just a little bit to bring in his prespective — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxwell270 (talk • contribs) 19:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

You are splitting hairs regarding the royal commission. There is plenty there in the transcripts about things that Feldman did wrong. You keep deleting Waks' comments, who is a significant player in the story, and is there for balance. Also I welcome any new information that can be included in the article, but it must be sourced, not original research. If you want the full quote from the RC transcript, I am ok with it, but please format it properly (put in spaces where needed and take out random punctuation.Playlet (talk) 22:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

True, but as their were many players involved their were different responses by different members of leadership as is clear from the transcripts.

I only Deleted things that are self-referenced, i.e. his only source is his own blog, but things brought in front of the Royal commission remain as is, as that was the facts. Maxwell270 (talk) 04:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxwell270 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

The Erlich quote is false. I have demonstrated that it is false, please stop including it. Playlet (talk) 07:15, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

It seems to be your just trying to create a completely negative representation of Rabbi Feldman, anyone who lived in Sydney knows of the immense influence and impact that Rabbi Feldman had on the Jewish community especially in the 70s-2000s, so yes, what a recognized author wrote I will include as that was definitely true when written

Additionaly, claims by someone whose source is their own website doesn't seem like a legitimate source, again, just discreditable.

additionally, for example the AVO, as the source you quote says, was on his wife not himMaxwell270 (talk) 16:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I have the intention of creating a decent article. So if you have good sources such as the Einfield one I am happy to include it. There is no doubt that Feldman built many institutions and had an impact on the community. However the Erlich quote is not true, so I am happy to leave it in if you are willing to leave in the context that the quote is clearly bullshit. As to the incidents with his wife, it is in the context of the story, I am not claiming that Feldman had any involvement with her actions, but it is in context of the incidents in question that they are included, and thus are relevant.Playlet (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the use of Manny Waks' page, it is not some nobody throwing around his opinion. This is the most prominent abuse advocate for the Australian Jewish community. And I am quoting it as such in that context.Playlet (talk) 22:42, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Firstly, at the time the quote book was written literally 90% of orthodox synagogues in Sydney had Chabad Rabbis, and the impact that Feldman had was widely accepted, obviously things changed when things fell apart later on, but at that time it was definitely true

Secondly, Definitely Wacks was a major player, but when you quote someone and bring his own source, you would like have outside verification, i.e was brought by the commission etc.

thirdly, the article is about Rabbi feldman, not any member of his family, things his wife did doesn't seem fair to be includedMaxwell270 (talk) 17:09, 5 February 2021 (UTC)