Talk:Pigeon Mountain (New Zealand)

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Directions from Pidgeon Mt

North is towards towards Motuhe Is.West is towards Mt Wellington.South is towards Pakuranga College. Claudia Jan 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.35.32 (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 October 2014

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) —innotata 23:14, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pigeon Mountain (New Zealand) → Ōhuiarangi / Pigeon Mountain – New name for cone.^[1]^[2] Haminoon (talk) 05:48, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Ngā Mana Whenua o Tāmaki Makaurau Collective Redress Act 2014". Retrieved 11 October 2014.
^ "Volcanic cones regain Maori names". Retrieved 11 October 2014.

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Oppose MOS:SLASH we should avoid slashes whenever possible. WP:SUBPAGE this makes the appearance of a subpage, and messes up the associated talk pages, which will assume it is a subpage. Further, per internet wide usage, this is assumed to be a subpage in URL formulations. We can replace it with a DASH, like how other jurisdictions use an mdash. WP:OFFICIALNAMES we don't just use official names because they are official -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 11:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Ōhuiarangi (and Ohuiarangi) is currently a redlink -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 11:27, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment We can make them redirects when this is settled. As the two names are important to different peoples I think having just one name in the title would break WP:NPOV. Haminoon (talk) 21:48, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment A slash is allowed "where a slash occurs in a phrase widely used outside Wikipedia, and a different construction would be inaccurate, unfamiliar, or ambiguous"; and we have a precedence with Aoraki / Mount Cook. Usually in NZ the general usage rapidly follows the official name (as we saw with Aoraki / Mount Cook). Haminoon (talk) 21:48, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

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Infobox naming

I've restored the infobox to it's previous state; generally, we lead the infobox with the same name as the article. BilledMammal (talk) 06:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:INFOBOXGEO states Infoboxes for geographical items (e.g. cities and countries) should generally be headed with the article title, although the formal version of a name (e.g. Republic of Montenegro at Montenegro) can be substituted. E James Bowman (talk) 06:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a formal name, though; it's an official name. Formal names refer to things such as the "Republic of Montenegro", not "Warszawa" or "Maungauika". I also note that I've reverted to the status quo while we discuss. BilledMammal (talk) 06:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your link refers to country names. Google "formal". The Oxford Languages dictionary definition #2 is "officially sanctioned or recognised". The gazetted official name of this geographical item is the 'formal version of the name'. E James Bowman (talk) 07:16, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since the replies are identical, I'm also replying to your comments at Talk:Mount Smart and Talk:North Head, New Zealand.

Formal place names are usually also official place names, but the other way around isn't true - "Republic of Montenegro" is both formal and official, but "Maunguika" is only official. This is also why my link refers to country names; it is one of the few topics where places have a formal name.

In addition, I don't believe we want to use the official name in infoboxes; often it is in a foreign language, when it is more useful to our readers to have the English-language name, and it would lack consistency with the rest of the article. However, if you disagree, then I would suggest you open a discussion at MOS:INFOBOX to change it. BilledMammal (talk) 09:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I shared about this discussion at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#Infobox naming. As the identical discussion is happening across three Tūpuna Maunga talk pages, it had been suggested the discussion is taken there. I agree. E James Bowman (talk) 22:56, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@E James Bowman: Per WP:LOCALCON, Wikiproject NZ cannot form a consensus about these articles. Instead, I will continue to reply here; as I suggested above, if you believe it should apply to official names, rather than the more limited formal names, you should open an RfC at MOS:INFOBOX. BilledMammal (talk) 23:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've passed on what you wrote at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board#Infobox naming.

At Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (New Zealand)/Archive 4#Lead sentence and infobox you agreed to this:

in articles where the title is English-only, and where the official name (from the New Zealand Gazetteer) is a dual name, then

The infobox title should be the dual name with the "/", e.g., Franz Josef Glacier/Kā Roimata o Hine Hukatere, again for conciseness and as the spot for the official name.

E James Bowman (talk) 00:52, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have slightly misrepresented my position in that discussion; my response to the broader compromise proposal that included that was I prefer the format used at Uluru, but I wouldn't object very strongly to this. However, that compromise was not accepted and I continue to prefer the format used at Uluru. I also believe that current policy supports that; "Uluru / Ayers Rock" is an official name, not a formal name, and so we should only use "Uluru" in the infobox. BilledMammal (talk) 01:04, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Height

Is it 58m or 53m ? I have altered it to 58m as this seems official height and not Wikipedia's job to resurvey. ChaseKiwi (talk) 14:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Ngā Mana Whenua o Tāmaki Makaurau Collective Redress Act 2014". Retrieved 11 October 2014.

[2] "Volcanic cones regain Maori names". Retrieved 11 October 2014.

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