Talk:Pierce Stocking Scenic Drive/Archive 1

Archive 1

Future improvement possibilities

This article has a lot of potential, like Brockway Mountain Drive. Some avenues for future improvement are:

• Broaden the range of sources to include travel guides, newspaper articles and non-NPS sources. A quick search found articles in the New York Times, the Dayton Daily News and even the Kansas City Star. Michigan Living magazine has probably highlighted it at some point as well.
• Expand the article into a proper structure:
  • A much longer lead
  • A full route description
  • A pseudo-junction list table using the overlooks as "junctions"
• The infobox needs a better map, which has been requested at WP:USRD/MTFR, and a facsimile of the sign (User:Fredddie has been asked for help on that)
• The interpretive guide section needs to be revised and integrated into another section of the article. It can probably be summarized down a bit and moved into "scenic opportunities", and the information about passes moved to the RD.

This roadway has a lot going for it, just like Brockway does, and it's quite possible to bring this article up to the same quality level. Imzadi 1979 → 11:31, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Possible sources

Per Imzadi's request, I stopped at the visitor center for Sleeping Bear and found some potential sources. First is a DVD video that talks about the dunes called "Journey Into Sleeping Bear". Second there was a book of images with little text called "Seasons of Sleeping Bear". Lastly, the best source was "Sleeping Bear: Yesterday and Today" by George Weeks ISBN 0-472-03031-0. It had a chapter about the PSSD. Royalbroil 15:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I have requested copies of both books through my branch of the Kent District Library, so I should have them in a couple days. No library in Michigan has a copy of the DVD though. Imzadi 1979 → 20:18, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

If it was the video that was playing in the visitor center then you wouldn't have found it helpful since I don't remember it talking about the drive anyhow. I don't think that the picture book will do you any good but it's worth a try anyhow, right? I couldn't find any other books on the park or the area. Good luck! Royalbroil 22:05, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I fortunately found another one on the back of my post-it note. It was a pretty decent source. It's "The Complete Guide to Michigan Sand Dunes" by Jim DuFresne ISBN 0-472-03118-1. Royalbroil 01:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Source list

• Ager, Susan (July 9, 2002). "Human Nature Takes Plunge, Pays the Price". Detroit Free Press. p. G1.
• DuFresne, Jim (2005). The Complete Guide to Michigan Sand Dunes. Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan Press. pp. 109–11. ISBN 0-472-03118-X.
• Hubbell, Amy; Campbell, Alan (September 8, 2011). "Lakeshore grows in popularity". Leelanau Enterprise. Lake Leelanau, MI. Archived from the original on September 12, 2011. Retrieved September 12, 2011. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• Lovy, Howard (August 24, 2011). "The sleeping giant behind Sleeping Bear: How scenery and social media created 'The Most Beautiful Place in America'". Crain's Detroit Business. Detroit: Crain Communications. Archived from the original on September 12, 2011. Retrieved September 12, 2011. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• Montemurri, Patricia (September 4, 2011). "America's Most Beautiful: Sleeping Bear Dunes in Michigan ready to get even busier". Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Archived from the original on September 12, 2011. Retrieved September 12, 2011. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• National Geographic Society. Guide to Scenic Highways and Byways (2nd ed.). Washington, DC: National Geographic Society. p. 125. ISBN 0-7922-7468-7.
• Nofziger, Fred (July 29, 1984). "Sleeping Bear Dunes: Michigan's Sandy Ice-Age Playground". The Blade. Toledo, OH. p. F7. Retrieved September 12, 2011.
• "Numbers at park lowest since '87". Leelanau Enterprise. Lake Leelanau, MI. January 21, 2009. Archived from the original on September 12, 2011. Retrieved September 12, 2011. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• Orso, Alberto; Parise, Sabrina (August 17, 2011). "Sleeping Bear Dunes Voted 'Most Beautiful Place in America'". Good Morning America. New York: American Broadcasting Company. Archived from the original on September 12, 2011. Retrieved September 12, 2011. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• Phipps, Makena Elizabeth (2004). "Forward". In Phipps, Terry W (ed.). Seasons of Sleeping Bear. Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan Press. ISBN 0-472-11445-X.
• Schmidt, William E. (June 5, 1988). "Michigan: Between the lake and the bay, the Leelanau Peninsula". The New York Times. Retrieved September 12, 2011.
• Weeks, George (2005). Sleeping Bear: Yesterday & Today (2nd ed.). Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan Press. pp. 149–50. ISBN 0-472-03031-0.

Interactive map

If you will look at the 1 July 2019 version before my version "fix marker image" it appears that the interactive map was not working properly. That is why I made my edit to get a map showing. The interactive map now appears to be working correctly.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

WP:DCGAR

Imzadi1979 per the CCI at WP:DCGAR, I am attempting to deal with the content he added, but may have gone too far. Do you have the two books -- by Dufresne and by Weeks ? Do you have the WP:Who Wrote That? tool? I deleted content added by DC per WP:PDEL, but it occurs to me you might have those books. If you don't, we'll need to remove the rest of what DC wrote ... [1] If you can verify the contents from those two books is accurate and does not contain copyvio or too-close paraphrasing, please feel free to revert anything I've done. Also, please ping me when you're done, so I can mark this at the CCI. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:00, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: I borrowed those books from the library and consulted them before I took this article through GAN in 2011 and ACR in 2012. Consider this article my work regardless of whatever some tool is telling you. Imzadi 1979 → 01:10, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Awesome, I will mark it cleaned at the CCI; sorry I failed to notice before I started editing that it was your GA ! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)