Talk:Pichilemu/GA3

GA Review

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Reviewer: White Shadows ^{It's a wonderful life} 16:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article for a GA as soon as I can. I've also said that I'll review another one but I'll get to this one first. Please be patient DG :)--White Shadows ^{It's a wonderful life} 16:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thank you in advance. This week will be a bit busy for me so if I don't reply soon, it's because of school ;) Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 17:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Criteria

• It is reasonably well written.

  a (prose): b (MoS):

• Endashes are needed in the "Important dates" section.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:01, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

•  Done It had originally endashes, wonder who changed them. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Spaces are also needed between the Endashes and the dates. it should be DATE - DATE :)--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Corrected :) Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 16:05, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Get a good copyedit from the WP:GCE. Some of the sentences are simply not "professional".--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
• "In the 2000s, many craftsmanship fairs have been established in the city." should be "In the 2000s, many craftsmanship fairs were established in the city."--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:04, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Sentence was removed. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Conversions are needed for all units of measure. As an American, I have no clue how long 2,000 meters are :)--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

•  Done --Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Can you please re-order the Further reading section so the authors are in alphabetical order?--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

•  Done Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• It is factually accurate and verifiable.

  a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

• "It is also near the coastal mountain range, which rises to 1,000 metres in altitude." needs a source. More to follow.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Referenced. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• "In the 2000s, many craftsmanship fairs have been established in the city." needs a source.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Removed, not needed. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• "The majority of the grand houses in the park are in use as private homes." needs a source.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:51, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

•  Done Removed it. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 02:53, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

• "It exhibits decorative and practical objects from the 1920s, and features many old suits." needs a source.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:52, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

•  Done I think I referenced and/or reworded it. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 02:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

• "Los Navegantes is a neighborhood in Pichilemu, approximately 1.5 kilometres (0.93 mi) in size, which was founded in 1997. After five years of construction, approximately 30 houses were built. It has a small sports court where residents can play football, basketball and tennis." needs a source.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:53, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
• "Nilahue Lagoon (Spanish: Estero Nilahue) is located 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) from Pichilemu. It holds beaches, including El Bronce, El Maquí, and Laguna El Vado." needs a source.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Referenced. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• "Pichilemu has many expansive dark sand beaches. The water is cool year-round, though many tourists choose to swim at the shore break during the summer months. Common activities include bodyboarding, surfing, windsurfing, and kitesurfing." needs a source.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• It is not wholly mentioned in only one source. It was taken a bit from Fodor's and the sources given on these lines. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 00:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

• "In 2005, American singer and surfer Jack Johnson recorded the music video for his song "Breakdown" in Pichilemu." needs a source.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 14:58, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Couldn't find a "really reliable source", because Johnson's website shows the video but without descriptions. Anyway, http://www.zancada.com/buenos-dias-breakdown-jack-johnson/ mentions the video was shot here. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:18, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

• Perhaps you could just remove it? If you want to add it, be sure to make it say that the source is in Spanish (along with the other online ones that are in Spanish) :)--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:46, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

•  Done Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 00:10, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

• It is broad in its coverage.

  a (major aspects): b (focused):

• It follows the neutral point of view policy.

  a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

  The article is neutral. No action required here :)--White Shadows ^{It's a wonderful life} 20:09, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

• It is stable.

  No edit wars etc.:

  Diego seems to be the regular contributor. No action required here :)--White Shadows ^{It's a wonderful life} 20:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

• It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

  a (tagged and captioned): b (Is illustrated with appropriate images): c (non-free images have fair use rationales): d public domain pictures appropriately demonstrate why they are public domain':

• Overall:

  a Pass/Fail:

• Pass--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 03:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Extra comment

Please see the last GA review for comments about unreliable sources. I quickly checked through the article and see that many references that were questioned in the 2nd GA review (completed by me) are still in the article, with no arguments provided for their reliability. These include gochile.cl, visitchile.com, corrugated city, and many others. The Spanish language sources commented on by SandyGeorgia are especially pertinent, as it is these that still seem to proliferate. Please contact an editor who is fluent in Spanish and thoroughly understands the reliability guidelines to assist with this review. Dana boomer (talk) 19:57, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

• Spanish is Deigo's first language but I too have concerns over the reliability of the online sources. Can you find replacements if they do not meet WP:RS?--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 20:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

  I agree, some of these sources can be removed such as the ones Dana mentioned. I will bring here a list of possibly replaceable references: Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 20:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

1. El Rancahuaso is partially reliable. It is an online newspaper on the O'Higgins Region, so they can be trusted a little bit :-)
2. PichilemuChile.com is not trustworthy in my opinion, and it should be changed to a Pichilemu News source that could comply the same function.
3. Grupo Visiting's source was removed and replaced with Escolares.net, that is reliable. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 18:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
4. GoChile.com replaced with Britannica. GoChile was referencing the sentence "is a beach resort in Chile". Britannica says "...branching from San Fernando to the popular beach resort of Pichilemu, 60 miles (100 km) west..." Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 18:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

   Good good! I'm still waiting for a copy-edit though!--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 18:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

   Yeah, forgot that, gimme a min to request a quick copyedit at the GOCE. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 19:53, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, replaced most of the unreliable sources with other ones you'll can't change :) Waiting for the copyedit and me done :-P Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 21:11, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

There are still refs to GoChile and others. WhiteShadow, I think you misunderstood what I said. I know that Spanish is Diego's first language - my request was to find an editor who speaks Spanish and thoroughly understands the reliable sources guideline to help review this article. No offense meant to you, Diego, but all of the unreliable sources that were found and in some cases still are found in the article would seem to show that you do not fully understand that guideline; hence, the request for another Spanish-speaking editor. Dana boomer (talk) 23:35, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I see. Diego, Perhaps you can get someone else to just take one more look at it? So far, this is one of the only issues that remain.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 02:15, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I haven't got enough time to remove all the not reliable sources I added when I started working on the article. Excuse me :) Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I've checked off everything and I'll pass this GA as soon as the other sources are removed/replaced/proven their reliability.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 23:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

OK. It took me an hour and a half to check every single reference for their reliability. My report is here, with explanations on why some "blogs" are reliable. I removed/replaced 6 references. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 01:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Great! I'm passing this GAN! Good Job!--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 03:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Copy edit notes

I have removed the date from the photo as there is no way this picture was taken in 1932; at that point cars were still boxy and not rounded at all. This pic was likely taken in the 1940s. compare

• 1932 cars
• 1942 cars

--Diannaa ^(Talk) 22:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

http://www.mundoandino.com/Chile/Pichilemu seems to be a mirror site and hence cannot be used as a source. I have marked it "failed verification". --Diannaa ^(Talk) 22:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Copy edits are done. I will review it afresh in a few hours and look for things that got missed. Regards, --Diannaa ^(Talk) 23:01, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Diego Grez ^{what's up?} 15:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)