Talk:Piano Sonata in B major, D 575 (Schubert)

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Original numbering of Schubert's sonatas

In the Diabelli (and later Spina) first editions we find this numbering:

Op. 42 in A minor (D 845), dedicated to Archduke Rudolf (Beethoven's patron!)
Op. 53 in D major (D 850), dedicated to Carl Maria von Bocklet
not listed! Perhaps Op. 78 in G major (D 894), dedicated to Joseph von Spaun? Or if that was considered a fantasy, perhaps Op. 120 in A major (D 664), for Josephine von Koller?
Op. 122 in E-flat major (D 568), but also listed as No.3 elsewhere?!
Op. 143 in A minor (D 784), posthumously dedicated to Felix Mendelssohn by the publishers
Op. 147 in B major (D 575), posthumously dedicated to Sigismond Thalberg by the publishers
Op. 164 in A minor (D 537)
C minor (D 958), posthumously dedicated with the other two last sonatas to Robert Schumann by the publishers. No opus numbers given, and not actually called "No.8" (or 9 or 10) on the cover?!
A major (D 959)
B-flat major (D 960)

Well, it at least covers all the sonatas that are not also in another genre, assuming that Op. 120 was overlooked (it was not first published with Diabelli, which could explain the omission). Double sharp (talk) 10:26, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Naturally, all the later-published incomplete sonatas were not included. Evidently progressive tonality was still considered somewhat sinful, barring D 157 (E-B), D 279 (C-a), D 557 (A♭-E♭), and D 566 (e-A♭). (^_-)-☆ (OTOH, a later 19th-century series of concerts of all Schubert's sonatas also included D 760, the Wanderer Fantasy, and D 459, the Fünf Klavierstücke, as well as the incomplete D 840 sonata). The other missing sonatas have incomplete movements and so could not really have been included: D 459 was not published as a sonata when it was extended with unrelated pieces by Klemm.

I have grave doubts about whether some of the pieces we, possibly following the Deutsch catalogue, hastily assign to the same sonata are really related. For instance, the link from D 600 to D 613 is obviously false because of their vastly separated dates. Additionally it has been argued that D 604 could not be a separate piece for then it would have been dated, but D 612 also isn't despite being separately dated: one cannot have it both ways. D 571 is not on the same paper-type as the other movements that have been assigned to it, and it is less of a stretch to claim that D 570 is an aborted fragment of a sonata without a finale than to claim that its movements were written in reverse order. So it may be better to follow Einstein's lead and separate D 570 and D 571, treating them as unfinishable fragments along the lines of D 655. (The only "finishable fragments" would then be D 613, D 625, and D 840 – although I would say that the best way to "finish" the last one is to stop playing before the third movement. ^_^) Double sharp (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Might be a useful addition to Sonatas, duos and fantasies by Franz Schubert#Sonatas for piano solo. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to continue this conversation at Talk:Sonatas, duos and fantasies by Franz Schubert#Early numbering(s) of piano sonatas --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:19, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]