Talk:Piano Concerto No. 3 (Beethoven)

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Rondo section

From the "Orchestral exposition" section:

In the orchestral exposition, the theme is calmly introduced by the strings...

If I'm not mistaken, the soloist enters first - when the orchestra joins in, it is in forte, far from "calm." —La Pianista ^(T•C•S) 18:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the Fourth Concerto, the soloist begins. In this one, there is a long orchestral exposition during which the theme is not presented in a "calm" way, but it is certainly quiet, which is probably what they mean here.Philip Howard (talk) 22:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A bit confusing then that this is headed "Rondo section", for which neither is true... Schissel | Sound the Note! 14:41, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First movement

The entrance of the piano in a classical concerto does not begin a "second exposition". It begins the exposition proper; the tutti that precedes has a different, not a "first exposition", function. Classical concerto form is not a slight variant of sonata form but a form unto itself - see Tovey and Thorpe-Davie for some good explanations, with references to a number of examples (including this concerto iirc?- will have to double-check) - of why. Schissel | Sound the Note! 14:38, 23 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

Plantinga, Leon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.75.42 (talk) 20:37, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]