Talk:Piłsudski's colonels

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Did you know... that the colonels' group dominated the Polish government for most of the history of the Second Polish Republic?

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved Move request appears to be noncontroversial Alpha_Quadrant ^(talk) 19:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The colonels → Piłsudski's colonels — "The colonels" is rather generic, especially with the Greek regime also called that. Colonels' regime is a dismabiguation page, so "The colonels" should also be a disambiguation page. "Piłsudski's colonels" is a much less ambiguous name. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 10:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support. The term "The Colonels" is sourced to Lerski's Historical dictionary of Poland, but can't find any examples of Lerski using it. Instead, he uses the phrases "Colonels' Group" or "Colonels' regime". The Time magazine article referenced says, "Pilsudski Colonels." The phrase "The colonels" is used, not as a formal name or on first reference, but only on subsequent reference and in the pedestrian sense of, "that group of colonels we told you about earlier". Kauffner (talk) 13:36, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Srnec (talk) 16:58, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. As the nom says, the proposed title would add much more clarity. Jenks24 (talk) 22:11, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I wish I'd proposed this myself. Richard M. Watt writes in Bitter Glory: Poland and Its Fate, 1918 to 1939 (1979, p. 269): "Piłsudski was assisted by a large number of relatively youthful aides, all of whom had served him more or less continually for many years and had originally been members of the Riflemen's Association, the Polish Legion, the P.O.W. or, quite frequently, all three. These men were now officers in the Army or were reserve officers who... served as the Marshal's eyes and ears in various civilian ministries. Most of those who were active officers were colonels or lieutenant colonels." In Polish sources, "the colonels" or "the colonels' government" (after Piłsudski's death in 1935) were and are unequivocal expressions; in a broader global context, they are not — hence the qualifier "Piłsudski's" is needed. Nihil novi (talk) 08:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. A clarification seems helpful here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 16:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Reasonable suggestion. Volunteer Marek 20:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

This title can be redirected to the dismbiguation page The Colonel (disambiguation) -- 65.94.77.11 (talk) 10:20, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment redirects will probably be needed at Piłsudski's Colonels, Pilsudski's colonels, Pilsudski's Colonels. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 04:48, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll create them for you now if you want, or do you want to wait until the RM has been completed? Jenks24 (talk) 08:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Creating them now would probably be good. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 03:46, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Now done. Jenks24 (talk) 02:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.