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Move the page !!

Hello - the title of this page does not match the text. The correct title is "Phu Tabberk". The "Phu Thap Boek" is located in the "Phu Hin Rong Kla National Park" in the province of "Loei". Can or may I move the page to "Phu Tabberk"? I would then make the further corrections. Thanks and Greetings --KusiD (talk) 09:24, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but no. We generally follow the Royal Thai General System of Transcription for geographical names which don't have otherwise established spellings, and that is Phu Thap Boek (may also be Phu Thapboek? I'm not sure.) The "Phu Tabberk" you refer to is obviously the same name, and attribution of one of them to Phu Hin Rong Kla NP in Loei Province is quite clearly erroneous. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:31, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Note: The following two paragraphs are copied from User talk:Paul_012) Hello Paul 012 - My changes are by no means "Qutie clearly erroneous". On the Internet you will find three names, which are supposed to affect all the same mountain. Phu Thap Boek, Phu Tabberg and Phu Man Khao. This is "Qutie clearly erroneous". As you could check yourself - there are actually three different mountains, in different places. Phu Thap Boek is located in Phu Hin Rong Klao National Park in Loei Province. Phu Tabberg is located in Phetchabun province. Phu Man Khao is located in Phitsanulok province. So clearly three different mountains. On the internet, someone invented this name confusion - many companies (for example: Agoda, Tripadvisor) have taken over these false texts unchecked. Since Wikipedians should do better research for their texts, I would like to have revised these three mountains / contributions. On the Internet can be found a lot of false information. Are we packing? With kind regards --KusiD (talk) 06:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone with a basic familiarity with the Thai language, "Tabberg" is very obviously a non-standard alternative romanisation of Thap Boek. There is no Phu Thap Boek or Tabberg in Phu Hin Rong Kla NP; its highest point is Phu Man Khao. The confusion you refer to indeed appears to be the cause of the misattribution. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:11, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Paul_012 - Okay - Phu Tabberk exists just like Phu Thap Boek. Proofs? May I help you:

Phu Tabberk - Coordinates: 16° 53' 51.70" N, 101° 06' 19.63" E. This mountain is falsely referred to in Wikipedia as Phu Thap Boek. Please study the link below and you will notice that there is exactly the Phu Tabberk (with picture!) Described - which is called on Wiki as Phu Thap Boek. On the Phu Tabberk I was personally already. It can be found there a board with just that name and the elevation.

Link: https://www.tourismthailand.org/Attraction/Phu-Tabberk--4837

Phu Thap Boek - Coordinates16° 54' 24.27" N, 101° 05' 10.31" E. This is a very different mountain than described in Wiki. This is in the Phu Hin Rong Kla National Park and is densely wooded. It has a very eventful history and today still houses various military facilities. Read the following link - and you know more than many "Internet specialists".

Link: https://www.thainationalparks.com/phu-hin-rong-kla-national-park

Whether someone is familiar with the Thai language or not - this has nothing to do with it - but with factual research. That there is a Phu Thap Boek in the Phu Hin Rong Kla NP is indeed confirmed with the above link from official side. That the Phu Tabberk should stand in the Phu Hin Rong Kla NP I have never said. So - no confusion and no misallocation - only misserable research has led to this confusion.

What do you think? With kind regards --KusiD (talk) 13:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

KusiD, Thainationalparks.com is not a reliable source, and contains many, many errors. As mentioned earlier, the highest peak in Phu Hin Rong Kla NP is Phu Man Khao, at 1,820 metres.[1] I'm quite at a loss to how to best explain what I've already said, that Phu Thap Boek and Phu Tabberg are simply different spellings for the same name, ภูทับเบิก, which is located in Phetchabun, and not in Phu Hin Rong Kla NP. I'll try and ask one of the German-speaking Wikipedians in Thailand to help. But if you're so sure that these are different names, please provide evidence in the form of the Thai spellings for each, thanks. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:44, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can only second all that Paul already said, the official transcription is Phu Thap Boek, but since even government agencies often not use non-standard transcriptions its no wonder one sees both in the Internet. Try e.g. the search [2] and you will find both versions. But since there seems to be only one mountain having the name ภูทับเบิก its nothing but an alias. Sadly this one is one of few mountains in Thailand not found in geonames.org, and as i am currently underway you'd have to wait till next week till i have more time to find proofs which may convince you. I hope the maps I have at home will show the mountain names in the relevant areas. andy (talk) 15:10, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The two coordinates are only 2 km apart, so it is not surprising that someone might have mixed up the two hills, maybe because others attributed the tourist attraction to the national park, though technically not part of it. If you look in Streetview at the intersection towards the military used hill [3], and can read Thai, you'll see that it points to Phu Man Khao, whereas I only found signs with. Maybe the mixup of the two hills also explains why the article claims that Phu Man Khao is an alias of Phu Thap Boek, which seems to be nonsense.

Looking in Google Maps in terrain mode, there are four peaks close to each other - the military used Phu Man Khao at about 1790m, the highly touristic used peak Phu Thap Boek at about 1630m, and another two peaks apparently unnamed peaks south of street 2331, one at 1746m (elevation according to geological map) and one at 1760 m. Thus IMHO the real issue is not a mixup with a Phu Tha Boek and a Phu Tabberg, but a mixup of Phu Tha Boek with Phu Man Khao! andy (talk) 13:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, must remind self to actually read the article. The error seems to have persisted from the beginning, when User:Xufanc created the article. So it probably needs to be entirely re-written. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:33, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]