Talk:Phrygian dominant scale

Needs simplifying

Perhaps needs a section called 'A Layman's Explanation' to convert this muso gobbledygook into coherent English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.13.222 (talk) 09:05, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Examples in popular music

We don't need so many examples, surely. Rigaudon (talk) 20:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes we do. It makes it easier to understand how it is in the real world, not just in theory. By listening to the songs that is. 83.108.208.28 (talk) 17:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, the examples are about the most useful part of the article --logixoul 18:00, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Additional citations

How, why, and where does this article need additional citations? Hyacinth (talk) 02:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Tag removed. Hyacinth (talk) 07:23, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

The entire second paragraph regarding Barry Harris lacks citations. Bwanasonic (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

"Harmonic minor perfect fifth below"

This mode wouldn't be called "harmonic minor perfect fifth below" in jazz lingo. A jazz musician would most likely refer to this as "dominant flat 2 flat 6. " Inasilentway (talk) 06:57, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Removal of "Examples in popular music" section

Diff This section was becoming larger than the rest of the article, and was unsourced. (If you consider a Hal Leonard guitar tab book a reliable source, then there was one sourced item.) Here is a place to discuss that. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 02:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Augmented Second

C to Db, should this not be a minor second? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.239.189.230 (talk) 02:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, C to D♭ is a minor second. One presumes the heading you chose ("Augmented second") has to do with the references in the article to the augmented second found between scale degrees 2 and 3, which in the example are D♭ and E.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 04:44, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, thanks 98.239.189.230 (talk) 01:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

You are very welcome.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:05, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

key sig

The example given has the key signature of two flats (for G minor) and an F sharp to give the major third in D, but the F sharp can also be left out of the key sig and written throughout as an accidental. Ponce does this in his 24th guitar prelude, which has one flat for the key sig (this would be D minor) then the C# of the dominant A written as an accidental throughout. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.245.255 (talk) 13:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, obviously it can be done this way, as well as many others. Is there a point applicable to this article you are trying to make?Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Reason is that many music typesetting programs can only set the "standard circle of fifths" key signatures; also many people cannot read such advanced signatures fluently. --User:Haraldmmueller 12:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

No point, just extra information and an extra example of a piece of music where the mode is used. There would be a point if your way of representing the key sig were incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.245.255 (talk) 19:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Uh, OK, but it's not "my way" of "representing the key signature".—Jerome Kohl (talk) 20:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hejaz Scale?

While reading the Wikipedia page describing scales, I saw a link labelled "Hejaz Scale"; however, when I clicked the link, I was redirected to this page about the Phrygian Scales. Unfortunately, I cannot find in this page any discussion of Hejaz Scale. Presumably, someone who knows enough about music and scales created the link, but it's likely to be rather confusing to anyone trying to find out about the scales used in middle eastern music if they find Hejaz Scale via that link from the scales page. At first, I thought that the link was to an incorrect page, but then I did a search of all of Wikipedia for "Hejaz Scale", and got only two hits, namely the page disgusting scales in general, and (which is already found) and this one on the Phrygian Scales. Thus I expect that somewhere in the code for the page is the phrase "Hejaz Scale" (I've not yet checked, in case just mentioning my concern less to a fix by someone more familiar with the various musical scales of eastern music), but in using my browser to search for "Hejaz" in this page, I get 0 hits. I hope someone adds soon this information. In the meantime, I plan to look up "Hejaz Scale" on other sources. If and when I feel "expert enough" on the topic, if no one has added the information about "Hejaz Scale", I may do so myself. Matt Insall 18:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Espresso-hound (talk • contribs)

It's been quite a while since I used talk, and I see that I should have signed this question about Hejaz Scale. Here's my Sig (i hope I'm going it right, as I found I could not see how to edit the original and add my Sig to it...): Matt Insall 18:26, 25 December 2016 (UTC) Matt Insall 18:26, 25 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Espresso-hound (talk • contribs)

"Phrygian Dominant" combines a comparatively modern idea, in a comparatively modern way, to describe a comparatively ancient scale in a way that I consider invites confusion about the origins of the scale and how it has been historically used. Moreover, it is a term that is no less culturally biased than is any of the offered alternatives. If editors insist on continuing to use such an article title, I would ask that it be hyphenated, and that links for Oxymoron, Malapropism and Portmanteau be included early in the article's main text. Thank you. - Joshua Clement Broyles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.28.74.51 (talk) 16:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Like Espresso-bound, I too came here using a link which uses the term hejaz. In my case, I linked through from the David Bowie page. Like them, I expected to find hejaz mentioned here but it isn't. The absence of the terminology used in the link is confusing. The reply doesn't address the issue. I can't make the edit, since I have no idea what hejaz is and was hoping to learn. Can't do the 4 tilde thing, as it's not on my smartphone keyboard. JRGp JRGp (talk) 20:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Misirlou = No, not an example

I can't find a version of Misirlou on Youtube that uses this mode. They all use the major 7th (B-natural, if the tonic is C) not the dominant 7th (B-flat, if the tonic is C). Google it and take a listen for yourself. Misirlou should not be included as one of two examples of the use of this mode. I'm not making the edit directly out of respect, since the traditions that use this modes are not my traditions, but my ears aren't lying, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willhaslett (talk • contribs) 23:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

The article does say "some versions". Does YouTube claim to have all versions available? If so, do they all identify the mode? Keep in mind, too, that YouTube is not usually considered a reliable source, and we cannot rely on our own ears to verify something like this.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 23:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)