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Title

Since more people know her as Phoebe Snow, I think maybe that should be the title of the article.Bjones 19:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. But there's another Phoebe Snow who got famous first. And on that page, there's a link to this page. A good question is how are other singers listed, by real names or stage names. Bubbles Silverman or Beverly Sills. I'll assume there should be some consistency. But I'm not the one to know what's the current trend. Perhaps she should be listed as Phoebe Snow (Laub) or something like that? --SafeLibraries 23:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think Phoebe Snow (singer) would be in line with wikistyle. But I wanted to get some input from other editors. So far so good.Bjones 01:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please note the Jethro Tull page. Similar quandary, different solution. Preferable one, IMHO.

I agree. Who ever heard of Phoebe Laub? Further, using Phoebe Laub strips her of her chosen identity, her pseudonym, if you will. Her public face is Phoebe Snow, and in respect of that, I agree a switch to Phoebe Snow is appropriate. And I like Phoebe Snow (singer) better than Phoebe Snow (band). --SafeLibraries 21:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please change to "Phoebe Snow"

I don't know how but she needs to be changed to Phoebe Snow. Ever hear of Belle Silverman? Of course not. Is there a Belle Silverman page? Ridiculous. But it does redirect to ... Beverly Sills. World famous Beverly Sills. Ever heard of Phoebe Laub? Of course not. Is there a Phoebe Laub page? Yes! Why? Pheobe Laub should redirect to Phoebe Snow (singer), or something like that. If I knew how to do that, I'd do it now. Please someone do it, and consider the comments in the section above as well. Thank you. --SafeLibraries 12:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It takes an admin to move it to Phoebe Snow (singer), since that article has a non-empty history. I've moved it to Phoebe Snow (musician) instead, which is arguably better anyway. Wasted Time R 22:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fantastic. Maybe now her page may get more visits, and when people do visit they will actually recognize her. Thanks. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 00:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism

This whole page is lifted almost verbatim from the bio at phoebesnow.com

Really? If so, changes are required. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling 01:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move ShelfSkewed Talk 19:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

--ShelfSkewed Talk 19:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC) Phoebe Snow (musician) → Phoebe Snow — The singer is, I believe, the primary topic for the term Phoebe Snow and her article should therefore be located at the undisambiguated title. I realize page hits don't always tell the whole story, but Phoebe Snow (musician) gets well over three times as many visits as the other two uses (Phoebe Snow's debut album and a railroad promotional character) combined, and well over three times as many as the disambiguation page (now located at Phoebe Snow (disambiguation)). It seems clear that the overwhelming majority of users looking for Phoebe Snow are looking for the musician.—ShelfSkewed Talk 23:12, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comment: Of 39 incoming article-space links to Phoebe Snow, 37 refer to the singer, 2 to the railroad character (fixed now), none to the album.--ShelfSkewed Talk 23:25, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Section on disabled daughter

I removed a sentence that stated that having a disabled daughter adversely affected Phoebe Snow's life. That is the author's personal opinion.

From www.phoebesnow.com:

Snow never regretted her decision to put aside music so she could focus on Valerie's care. She was devastated when her daughter, who was not expected to live beyond her toddler years, died in 2007 at 31.

"She was my universe," she told the website PopEntertainment.com that year. "She was the nucleus of everything. I used to wonder, am I missing something? No. I had such a sublime, transcendent experience with my child. She had fulfilled every profound love and intimacy and desire I could have ever dreamed of."

(This is my first time editing a post, hope I did it correctly.) Thanks,

Margaret — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atgrrrl (talk • contribs) 00:40, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Ommissions

Among Ms. Snow's creditis, there is no mention that that she sang the title theme for the teen comedy "A Different World", the "Cosby Show" spin-off for the first season. I think it not out of place to say that Dr. Cosby would agree that Ms. Snow's contribution was the only "dignified" portion of the entire first season, of which afterwards the show's style completely changed, for the better. Again, all accolades to Phoebe's talent. Also, I must say that another omission was made that probably the reason for Ms. Snow's daughter's diability was due to her dropping acid years before under the influence of her then-husband. As I recall, this was revealed back in the late 70s when Phoebe admitted her child had severe neurological problems. Veryverser —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.238.184 (talk) 21:50, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you cite an authority for the claim that LSD caused birth defects? The claims made in the sixties have been widely discredited. Rainbow-five (talk) 07:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What you are responding to is a question from an indefinitely blocked editor (one Veryverser (talk · contribs)) who sheds IPs like fur. Ignore his claims and observations. I would have deleted this section had someone not commented on it. Cheers :> Doc talk 21:39, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Year of Birth

There seems to be some disagreement about her year of birth. A number of edits have changed it to 1952 but most referenced news stories list it as 1950. Some editors have left comments with their change saying that the national news stories have the date wrong. User:MooseBlaster says, "She was born in 1952, according to not only NNDB, but her official webpage PhoebeSnow.com and the fan page http://www.vdebolt.com/phoebehome/." --RanchoRosco (talk) 01:23, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked into this in detail, but several probably-reliable sources, including this one, have her graduating from Teaneck High School in 1968. Assuming an otherwise normal academic trajectory, that fits better with 1950 (~18 at graduation) than 1952 (~16 at graduation). (But then again, it's worth noting that Shimer College has offered an early entrance program for the past 60 years, so there's nothing unusual about being a 16-year-old freshman at Shimer -- which if she had graduated high school at age 16, might have contributed to her decision to attend this tiny and little-known college in Illinois, rather than some more prominent school where her age would have made it difficult to blend in. So arguably it's a wash.) -- Visviva (talk) 21:55, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In any event, http://phoebesnow.com currently says "1950-2011". -- Visviva (talk) 22:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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"in her later years she embraced Buddhism"

Above is from the section "Personal life and death."

I recall in Autumn 1976 hearing a radio interview with Phoebe Snow where she was expressing enthusiasm for Jane Roberts' channeled "Seth" books. In fact, that is how I first learned of those books.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Roberts

This statement is from a defunct Seth forum posted by the woman who is the archivist for Jane Roberts' papers:

"[Phoebe Snow] Met with Jane [Roberts] and [her husband] Rob [Butts] in 1974 per Jane's journals and correspondence."

https://speakingofseth.com/index.php/topic,2493.0.html

Posting this as an FYI.

A brief remark by Jane's Seth re religion:

"All religions are distortive. For that matter much of your science is distortive. Both arrive at approximations, at best, of reality."

—Seth/Jane Roberts, The Early Sessions, Vol 1, Session 34, March 11, 1964 M.mk (talk) 14:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I contacted Steve North who wrote the remembrance of Phoebe (footnote 10 in the article) mentioning first meeting her in 1977.

I asked him if she ever mentioned Seth/Jane Roberts to him.

Reply: "Unfortunately, I've never heard of Jane Roberts or Seth, and never discussed it with Phoebe. So, can't help you there."

The archivist of Jane's papers at Yale discovered the following:

'Hi Mark, thanks for keeping me in the loop. I have found, in Mary [Dillman]’s [late archivist] notes, that Phoebe wrote to Jane and Rob in February of 1984, with the caveat “Not for Publication,” so I don’t feel right sharing the complete content of the letter. The main points are that Phoebe said Rich [apparently Kendall, friend of Jane and Rob] had been in touch with her recently and she wanted to renew contact with Jane and Rob. She had thought about them over the past seven years and that meeting them changed her life. Jane sent Helper [healing energy, as it were, in sort of personified 'form'] to her when she had a creative block. The result was her album Second Childhood which she seemed to feel was pretty special. I have no idea if there was further correspondence. [Jane died in Sep 1984.]

Deb [current archivist]

PS I found this article about Phoebe from Rolling Stone [1975], that [briefly] mentions Jane and Seth.

Here is the mention:

“Later I decided that he [a late friend] was there [in the studio when she recorded "Harpo's Blues" about him on her first album]. That came from reading a book by Jane Roberts, called Seth Speaks. Actually, Jane Roberts dictated the book while she was in a trance and the person who was speaking through her claimed to be the entity Seth. He said he existed on a plane other than the physical, on another astral plane, so I guess you’d call him a spirit, or a ghost if you want to be really blunt. One of the things he said was that the physical body you inhabit serves as no more than a vehicular thing to get you around the earth plane, which you chose to live on at that time. Now remember, I had always been insecure about not having the perfect body, the perfect face. My body had been a source of constant disappointment to me. So that idea just knocked me out. I’ve studied parapsychology a lot since reading that.”

Full RS article where she was the cover story:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/phoebe-snow-finds-the-suburbs-of-the-soul-rolling-stones-1975-cover-story-95617/ M.mk (talk) 14:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]