Talk:Phipps Bridge

A fact from Phipps Bridge appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 June 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Phipps Bridge housing estate has been described as "one of south London's most notorious crime vortexes"?

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Notorious crime vortexes

Lord Belbury I agree, an album review would be insufficient sourcing when it comes to crime levels. However, I would say that a quote about crime generally in the area, from a journalist reporting on a former resident, is absolutely worth a mention.--Laun chba ller 18:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I concede it's okay in context in the lower article section, but I think it's far too strong as a flat "it has been described" in the lead, with no immediate attribution. Given that the lead would - I think - look like a bit of a joke if the quote was clearly attributed to a fashion magazine, I don't think it should be that prominent.

Looking for recent news articles we've got a 2010 news story that has local police stepping up patrols and local fears that "crime in the area is out of control", which might be a better quote to pull. It also puts it in a clearer timeframe - the MIA article is, if I'm reading it correctly, about how she grew up on the estate in the 80s. It's ambiguous as to whether the writer is suggesting that the estate was a "crime vortex" at the time, or that it's been that way for thirty years. (Reading it through, this Wikipedia article actually doesn't have anything clear to say about present quality of life on the estate, all the other quotes being from the 1980s.) --Lord Belbury (talk) 19:37, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a crime section and put everything in there. I believe the best quote is the one about television cop shows - what do you think?--Laun chba ller 09:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not bad, but it's not really accurate to swap to a present-tense "cop shows use the estate" in the lead, when the line about that later in the article seems to be talking about the 1980s (presumably The Bill, which was filmed at the nearby Wimbledon Studios, and is no longer running?). I guess the lead should be expanded more generally to summarise the full history of the estate. --Lord Belbury (talk) 10:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well the quote says "cop shows", so I'm assuming it's plural and that there are others. That said, I see that Wimbledon Studios are now shut. I've replaced that part of the lede.--Laun chba ller 15:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Phipps Bridge Road photo

Probably my fault for not mentioning it in the edit summary, but was the removal of the photo intentional? I don't know the area and was just using a shot that seemed to be from a road that goes through the estate, but fair enough if it's misrepresentative. --Lord Belbury (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not intentional. Thank you for pointing it out.--Laun chba ller 09:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I cannot agree with the recent move of this article to Phipps Bridge estate, so I have reverted it. An area of London with 500 years of history clearly takes precedence over a 20-year-old tram stop.--Laun chba ller 16:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I just wrote on User:Launchballer's talk page, before I saw this comment, this article is very clearly about a housing estate built in the 1950s, and equally clearly not about an area of London with 500 years of history. I can see nothing about 500 years of history in the article, but the first five words of the article are Phipps Bridge is a housing estate, and the first sentence of the history section is Phipps Bridge was built in the 1950s and 1960s.

If indeed Phipps Bridge has 500 years of history, then I'm entirely cool on us having an article on it with primary disambiguation, but this article in its current state is quite clearly not that article. I don't know enough about the area to say if the 500 year old Phipps Bridge is coterminous with the 1950s housing estate (in which case the current article probably needs to stay but with a very heavy rewrite) or they are different, perhaps overlapping, areas (in which case it is probably better for my move to go ahead and then somebody to write another article called Phipps Bridge about the 500 year old area).

I shall hold off on my move for now, and await further discussion here. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 16:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You may be interested in a history of the area hidden in the source of [1].--Laun chba ller 18:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The history of the Phipps Bridge area is linked mostly to industrial activity tied to the River Wandle. Historic maps of the area show several "varnish and japan" works, factories and manufactories (sic) as well as a printing ink factory and printing works, but most of the area was fields before the 1st world war and the area of the estate was allotments and recreation grounds, with a refuse site and a sports ground at the south end (early 1950s map). Even the eponymous bridge has been replaced.--DavidCane (talk) 01:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]