Talk:Philadelphia Naval Shipyard/Archive 1
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Commission
The Naval Shipyard has been recommisioned, please someone update to reflect that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.103.213.34 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
- Can you provide a reference? News article would do. Press release would be good too. Jinian 20:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Other things to include
Should be some mention of Philadelphia Experiment (yes, it's all nonsense, but it has received a lot of coverage), and the service there of famous science fiction writiers (Asimov, Heinlein etc.) during WW2. AnonMoos 12:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
"Philadelphia Naval Business Center" vs. "The Navy Yard"
The lede sentence currently starts like this:
- The Navy Yard, formerly known as the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard and Philadelphia Naval Business Center
One imagines that the name changed from "Philadelphia Naval Shipyard" to "Philadelphia Naval Business Center" when it ceased being a US Navy base, and then the name changed again later as a result of a business decision, and possibly some kind of reorganization.
- Is that right?
- When did the most recent name change happen?
- What sources can we cite for these facts? Some of this is covered on the Navy Yard's site at http://www.navyyard.org/history
- Given that the facility is now named "The Navy Yard", shouldn't that be the title of the article?
- At the least, shouldn't that title redirect to this article?
TypoBoy (talk) 17:16, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I went ahead and created that redirect from The Navy Yard. TypoBoy (talk) 17:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Requested move 22 October 2013
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. (non-admin closure) Hot Stop talk-contribs 02:18, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Philadelphia Naval Shipyard → The Navy Yard – As the lead sentence states, Philadelphia Naval Shipyard is the site's former name. It is no longer a naval shipyard, but rather a business park that was named for its historic purpose. Site is officially known as "The Navy Yard", with "The" as a part of its name.[1] –Dream out loud (talk) 02:39, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose. It has an article because it was an important naval yard. It was a naval yard known by the specific title of "Philadelphia Naval Shipyard" for well over 200 years. It has been a business centre known by the ambiguous title of "The Navy Yard" for just over a decade. Any substantial expansion of the article is likely to deal with its naval usage rather than its civilian usage. There really is no contest. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:29, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly, it was an important naval yard. But now that I think about it, the land has been entirely redeveloped and I think The Navy Yard should be split into its own article. –Dream out loud (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- But Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a digest of current events or current locations. Over two centuries of history are not cancelled out by a decade of alternative use. Our guiding principle is what would most people call this place? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Most people today call it "The Navy Yard". –Dream out loud (talk) 14:40, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Most locals probably do. Most locals probably always did, as they wouldn't need to prefix it with "Philadelphia". That's irrelevant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Most people today call it "The Navy Yard". –Dream out loud (talk) 14:40, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- But Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a digest of current events or current locations. Over two centuries of history are not cancelled out by a decade of alternative use. Our guiding principle is what would most people call this place? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Exactly, it was an important naval yard. But now that I think about it, the land has been entirely redeveloped and I think The Navy Yard should be split into its own article. –Dream out loud (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose; to similar to the highly ambiguous Navy Yard. bd2412 T 20:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
- Similarity to another title is not a reason to oppose a change. "The Navy Yard" is the name of the site, and just because it is similar to an ambiguous title does not justify a reason to change it. –Dream out loud (talk) 14:40, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Absolutely it is. Having "The" in front of it is no form of disambiguation. This is long established. We need to disambiguate it and the best form of disambiguation is natural disambiguation. Better by far to keep it at the title by which it is best known in reliable sources, not just today but in the last two centuries. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:18, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Point of order: Presence or absence of the definite article can serve as a form of WP:NATURAL disambiguation, though it's usually not advisable due to the restrictions of WP:THE. I agree that this isn't an appropriate case for doing so, however. --BDD (talk) 22:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
- Absolutely it is. Having "The" in front of it is no form of disambiguation. This is long established. We need to disambiguate it and the best form of disambiguation is natural disambiguation. Better by far to keep it at the title by which it is best known in reliable sources, not just today but in the last two centuries. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:18, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Similarity to another title is not a reason to oppose a change. "The Navy Yard" is the name of the site, and just because it is similar to an ambiguous title does not justify a reason to change it. –Dream out loud (talk) 14:40, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose This isn't the only site that would be referred to as "The Navy Yard," and no WP:PRIMARYTOPIC claim has been presented (nor would it likely be successful). If a split is necessary, a new article could go at The Navy Yard (Philadelphia). --BDD (talk) 22:28, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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