Talk:Phil Angelides

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Death date?

How could he have died tomorrow!?! Someone needs to check on this.

ETA: Thanks, it's gone now. Stupid vandals.

Pronunciation

If I knew how to say the guy's name, I'd do it myself, but: "lead" is pretty unclear. Is that pronounced "leed" or "led"? I suspect the former, but it could be either. One way or the other, the middle syllable should be clarified as either "leed" or "led".

The last edit to this page removes the last portion of this sentence, everything after "sprawl".

Sacramento area environmentalists criticize him for contributing to the area's sprawl, although he took a significant financial risk when he built Laguna West, a pioneering attempt at creating a pedestrian friendly and environmentally sustainable community which has had a major impact on later suburban developments.

This edit was done by 24.126.118.178, who previously added "However, Angelides has been critized by many for his overly agressive campaign tactics and penchant for negative campaigning." in the August 22nd revision. THe latter could be a balancing statement (although how many politicians can't be criticized this way?), but the latest edit leaves in a criticism without a balancing mitigation. Given the status of Phil Angelides as a candidate in a high profile election (Governor of California) next year, the editors need to keep a close watch on the editorial objectivity of this page's content. I'm going to re-edit the page to make the relevance of the latter portion of the statement clearer. Hopefully this will satisfy folks. --Tvleavitt Thu Nov 17 18:02:12 PST 2005

Political POV pushing

Yeah, it's obvious that this page has gotten dirty already, and it's my guess that Westly campaign operatives are editing it. For example that thing about unloading Laguna West was lifted directly from an op-ed written by a Westly campaign operative. The Steve Westly article doesn't seem similarly slimed at the moment. I don't know much about either of these guys besides that they both seem like typical lame California politicians, but the sliming going on here is reflecting badly on Westly. If it's really being done by Westly supporters, they should consider that they might not be having the effect they intended. Phr (talk) 09:24, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted some stuff from Westly's article mocking him for not having all the endorsements Angelides does. It's most likely the Westly supporters here and the Angelides supporters at the Westly article doing it, but we can't trace it to either campaign without more proof. It can also be supporters of each camp trying to spike the articles and blame it on the other side.--Folksong 20:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

semi protection

If the anon attack edits intensify in the next few days (the primary election is June 6) then admins shoud think about semi-protecting this page. Some of the attacks seem to come directly from the Westly campaign (example) which suggests that political operatives are working on it. I'm going to have limited internet access after this weekend but I hope people can keep an eye on the article (and the one about Westly, if attacks against Westly start showing up there). Phr (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV of section

"Leader in the corporate reform movement?" "worked to protect the state's creditworthiness during a series of revenue shortfalls precipitated by California's "dot com" era economic downturn?" This is blatant POV and before I remove it, does anyone have any objections?

It seems that Angelides and Westly supporters are editing each of their candidates, as well as opponents' pages. I wouldn't be surprised if they're editing their candidate's page, and blaming it on the other camp.--Folksong 20:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the corporate reform stuff should be rephrased in a neutral way with specifics if possible; similarly with the state treasurer stuff. I'd say in general in both of these pages, positive statements should have self-serving language toned down but whoever added the statements should be given a reasonable chance to add specific documentation before the statement is removed. Negative stuff unless documented should be removed right away. This is reasonably consistent with WP:LIVING. Unfortunately I can't participate since I'm leaving Wikipedia for several weeks starting tomorrow. Phr (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some sources and removed the POV section; hopefully now the issue is all cleared up. Ginniola 17:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The section on Angelides' tenure as State Treasurer reads like an ad. It's fine to say that "Angelides worked to increase business disclosure in CalPERS" but it's not OK to use biased wording "In his role as trustee of the California Public Employees' Retirement System (one of his duties as state treasurer), he has led initiatives to spur economic progress in California communities through targeted investments." Anything in an article which is not a straight fact-by-fact basis and can be in favor of a candidate or against a candidate is WP:POV and should not be used. Also, please do not delete the criticisms against Laguna West. It is fine to put a response to that, but deleting that is not neutral. We cannot use statement from a candidate's website also to justify support for one of their issues.--Folksong 23:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm definitely seeing some biased edits here.

I've seen some IPs removing criticism from Angelides' section and adding some to Westly's section. And saying "You go Phil" does not reflect well on you or your candidate. Respect the Wikipedia and don't use it as a campaign tool.--Folksong 23:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am the user who put the edits in yesterday. I was merely trying to correct some errors (re. Laguna West, which was never cited by the EPA) and add additional info (re endorsements and poll #'s). I have been following the Governor's race very closely, and I think that the information you removed was factual. For instance, Angelides has been endorsed by California National Organization of Women (NOW) (see the endorsements here: http://www.angelides.com/endorsements/endorsements.html). I also stated that they and Sierra Club had endorsed both Angelides and Westly so that a reader wouldn't think they preferred one over the other.

On the wetlands issue: the way it is currently written is incorrect. River West was cited by the EPA at a different project (not Laguna West). The new paragraph I added was meant to clarify this confusion. The "inappropriately built over wetlands" phrase, as cited, comes from Steve Westly, Phil Angelides' opponent. I don't think that belonds in a wiki article. I think it should be removed, but if it is not, it needs to be balanced: The EPA email I linked to states that the Westly claims about wetlands are inaccurate (http://www.votethecoast.org/Vote_the_Coast/Page_18.html). There is a lot of heated back and forth on this issue, and I thought that a gov'T official who was involved in the case was as neutral a source as we will find. I think, at the very least, a balancing statement needs to be added and the Westly campaign should be cited as the source of the wetlands criticism if it is to be kept in.

River West and Laguna West

So looking throught the article which is cited for the junk about Laguna West being served a cease and desist order by the EPA, it seems to say that this particular development has won a bunch of enviro-awards and that the disputed development was actually at Lexington Hills. (Last four paras in the Bee article. Am I reading this right? Obhaso 05:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

that's right, though Laguna West, despite the awards, has been criticized for not living up to its promise as well. I might move the Lex Hills thing to a separate paragraph, so that it doesn't come in the middle of Laguna West. I'd also like to see something about how it got resolved. --Caliwiki 07:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Add a Positions Section?

I'm thinking we should clean it up by putting in a positions section and limiting the gubernatorial section to events that happened during the campaign.

Anti-liberal vandals

There have been a rash of anti-liberal vandals inserting wild accusations and POV onto this page and others. Please revert once they post.--Folksong 05:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

voting age

None of the three citations indicated for reducing the voting age work (one is a broken link and the other two say nothing about the voting age). This should be removed if they are not updated.

Hasn't the FCIC disbanded? If so, then statements about how Angelides "is" the chairman thereof should be re-written into the past tense, should they not? --Christofurio (talk) 13:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

a gilded unbiased bio

This reads like a bio that I would write for myself for a conference I was speaking at. The article needs a more balanced view of Angelides political / ideological positions which are progressive left. The political motivation for forming the FCIC in a manner doomed to fail including placing Angelides on it is not discussed. Danleywolfe (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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