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... that there are at least 19 phases of ice, though only one is normally seen on Earth?

Source: ^[1]

ALT1: ... that a rare phase of ice can be present inside diamonds formed deep in the Earth's mantle? Source: ^[2]
ALT2: ... that ice in outer space is amorphous solid, and it is likely the most common phase of ice in the universe? Source: ^[3]
ALT3: ... that one of the artificially produced phases of ice, ice XVII, could potentially be used for hydrogen storage in environmental technology? Source: ^[4]
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InformationToKnowledge (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2024 (UTC).

Article has been copied from a section in another and then expanded more that tenfold. No visible problems, good to go. I prefer ALT2. Cambalachero (talk) 02:44, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

References

^ Metcalfe, Tom (9 March 2021). "Exotic crystals of 'ice 19' discovered". Live Science.
^ O. Tschauner; S Huang; E. Greenberg; V.B. Prakapenka; C. Ma; G.R. Rossman; A.H. Shen; D. Zhang; M. Newville; A. Lanzirotti; K. Tait (2018). "Ice-VII inclusions in diamonds: Evidence for aqueous fluid in Earth's deep mantle". Science. 359 (6380): 1136–1139. Bibcode:2018Sci...359.1136T. doi:10.1126/science.aao3030. PMID 29590042. S2CID 206662912.
^ Pappas, Stephanie (2 February 2023). "Scientists created a weird new type of ice that is almost exactly as dense as water". Live Science.
^ Del Rosso, Leonardo; Celli, Milva; Ulivi, Lorenzo (June 2017). "Ice XVII as a Novel Material for Hydrogen Storage". Challenges. 8 (1): 3. doi:10.3390/challe8010003.

Large number of refs to del Rossi

The article has a lot of refs to one primary reference:

del Rosso, Leonardo; Celli, Milva; Ulivi, Lorenzo (7 November 2016). "New porous water ice metastable at atmospheric pressure obtained by emptying a hydrogen-filled ice". Nature Communications. 7 (1): 13394.

This seems inappropriate for a short non-review source. Johnjbarton (talk) 18:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't spot it at first because of how it and several other references were hidden behind that {{r| template, but now that I removed it to standardize reference structure, I see that the large chunk of that section is referenced to either that article, or its apparent 2017 and 2020 follow-ups from the same researchers. Clearly not ideal, but then again, this whole subject appears to have been niche enough that only a few researchers dominate the output at any given time.

Now that I completed the sequence of discovery dates in the table, this seems especially apparent: effectively, Bridgman discovered the first group of phases in the 1900s, then Whalley discovered several more in 1960s, a few more phases were discovered by various researchers in the 1970s-1990s, and then the bulk of recent discoveries appear to belong to Saltzmann and del Rosso groups. I am not sure if it's going to be easy to find many alternate references to balance out those sections. InformationToKnowledge (talk) 19:06, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Ice XI is thought to be a more stable conformation

The section on Earth has a paragraph about conflicting reports that appears to be WP:OR. That is the comparison and thus judgement of various primary references is done by a Wikipedia editor. I think the paragraph should be replaced by content from a review, eg

Chaplin, M.F. (2024). Structure and Properties of Water in its Various States. In Encyclopedia of Water, P. Maurice (Ed.). https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1002/9781119300762.wsts0002

Johnjbarton (talk) 15:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

[1] Metcalfe, Tom (9 March 2021). "Exotic crystals of 'ice 19' discovered". Live Science.

[2] O. Tschauner; S Huang; E. Greenberg; V.B. Prakapenka; C. Ma; G.R. Rossman; A.H. Shen; D. Zhang; M. Newville; A. Lanzirotti; K. Tait (2018). "Ice-VII inclusions in diamonds: Evidence for aqueous fluid in Earth's deep mantle". Science. 359 (6380): 1136–1139. Bibcode:2018Sci...359.1136T. doi:10.1126/science.aao3030. PMID 29590042. S2CID 206662912.

[3] Pappas, Stephanie (2 February 2023). "Scientists created a weird new type of ice that is almost exactly as dense as water". Live Science.

[4] Del Rosso, Leonardo; Celli, Milva; Ulivi, Lorenzo (June 2017). "Ice XVII as a Novel Material for Hydrogen Storage". Challenges. 8 (1): 3. doi:10.3390/challe8010003.

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