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Information is deeply political - with small notions to hammer Israel

a. Area was not confiscated from any village - Fasil was a tiny location with 3 huts. Their current lands are those of Abu Samsam, by his Kushan (Ottoman premission) and settlers of Fazael participated in the marking of the terittory from the Kushan map. b. After Tomer was settled, palestinians from the cities and other areas came to settle Fasil, and much later they started using the lands of Abu Samsam, under his premission (today in some cased as workers in his fields). This was only after they learned modern agriculture from working with the framers in Fazael and Tomer. c. Al-Jiftlik (by definition "the Sultan land") had no lands in this area and are quite far to the north. In any case - they did not own any land, as they sat on the Sultan land, which was treated same as a Kushan and was left for their use. d. Lands used by Fazael and Tomer were newly set, including washing of all the salt from the soil (which is in high quantities in all the soils of the Lisan formation in this area). c. Stating that settlers in Fazael are former soldiers in misleading and argumentive - all Israeli Jews serve in the Army, especially in the 70's. e. To state that it was first administered as both a Moshav and A Kibutz is also misleading - the primary stage was more communal in the matter of setting the fields (and nothing overcoming private ownership or freedom of the individual). this was set to be a very short phase, starting to cultivate the fields, while living in Maale Efraim. Once the Moshav houses were built and it was settled, it became a Moshav in all means. f. The source of ARIJ for Fasil is deeply wrong to say the least, and intentionaly misleading to say it more accuretly. using it as a source for Wikipedia damages the accuracy of any topic - first, it claims it borders Al Jiftlik from the north (while it is 8 km north and there is no connection whatsoever. Second, it interprets the name as "fractions", while it is clear the name is from Hearod's brother "Fasael" as the name of the Ancient town on which the village is sitting (and which appear in Madeba map and more. this also appears in the PEF survay maps). Third - the population is described as herders (there are ca. 10 families with herds in the village), while most of it (man and women) works with Israeli farmers in Tomer and Fazael. Forth - The spring is ca. 8 km from the village, with no clear relation to it. it is part of Abu Samsam Kushan and therefore no one can do anything there without his permission. Israel has set the area around the spring for public use, and many palestinian sit there with their families regularly. Fifth - maybe 20 families left, but the village grew from 3 huts to 200 families (and they do not count Fasail Fuqa, which was newly settles by families from the Hebron area). Sixth - they mark the lands around the village, not mentioning that far most of these lands could not have been used without the treatment of the Israelis farmers, which washed the salt from the lisan soils. they also mark the lands as far north as they can, despite the fact these were never part of the village lands, even in its peak (e.g. today). Seventh - they note lands as confiscated by Israeli settlements, but just not mentioning these lands were never own by the village (there was no actual village before the Israeli settlement, as there was also no use of the land except for very partial use of the Kushan lands). The ability to use these lands for agriculture is only because Israeli farmers treated it by desalination. I mean WOW, just don't use this source... ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.73.46 (talk) 19:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]